Import/Domestic beef thread

[ACCLUDE91]

This is not quite a kill story, but I wanted to know why you people think Import guys try to race Domestic guys and why Domestic guys try to race Import guys. You know what I'm talkin about. Import vs. Import & Domestic vs. Domestic and it's a "friendly" race. But if it's Import vs. Domestic, it's like a both sides have something to prove and it's more like a grudge match than a friendly race.

I appreciate all cars for their own properties. I can appreciate a nice Mustang or Camaro just as much as I like CB's. They are different cars and designed to do things differently. But does that give people the right to be jackasses to different car owners?

[AccordAnimal]

I konw what you're saying. I am not racist by any means, but it is very similar to Whites and Blacks. Both have their qualities, both good and bad, but that doesn't mean you should disrespect the other beucase of those.

Good Post, hopefully it will get some good convo started.

[blackice]

Imports vs Domestics is an interesting subject for sure. From my point of view domestic cars from manufacturers such as Ford and Chevy have a lot of history behind them in the United States compared to a number of the import manufacturers (Honda, Toyota, etc). I think lots of people are attracted to cars such as the Mustang for the simple fact that it's a classic symbol of American muscle. It's really interesting how you almost never see someone building up something like a Ford Escort. (Yeah there are exceptions of course, for example the Ford Taurus SHO) The cars that people do brag about and build are the cars designated as sports cars.

A few things about domestic sports cars (Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro, Dodge Viper etc.) is that they usually have a large block engine v-6 and up, have a larger heavier frame (compared to a good amount of imports), and have a good amount of power stock.

Now imports on the other hand are a different story. You really don't see very many import sports cars being built up (Honda NSX, Toyota Supra, etc.) It seems like it is much harder to find one of these cars to purchase, when you can walk to a Ford dealer and buy a new Mustang. Thats why I think the trend now is to find and build a cheaper import car (Honda Civic, Nissan 240sx for example) and a lot of that time the car will be an economy car, usually a 4 banger or v-6, lighter frame, and a lot of the time a 4 door sedan (cb7 anyone )

I think a lot of the tension is created in situations like when the owner of the import...say a civic owner talks smack about a mustang needing a v8 to beat him...or the owner of a mustang making fun of the economy car for being rice (think cheap) and having a smaller engine (non sports car in other words) .

Either way I have respect for both worlds, both types of cars can be built and be extremely fast...and thats what makes cars so fun to work on and modify. Don't flame me too bad guys lol, im sure i stated something wrong in here that will make someone mad.

[trickedaccord92]

personally to me its just an awsome feeling to get a 4 cylinder engine to beat an 8 cylinder engine its just saying hey i can do what you say i cant i mean i love v8s if you drop the same amount of money into an 8 as a 4 the 8 is most definatly gonna win but for all these guys that think they can just buy an 8 and be king over 4s it just shows that a 4 banger can top an 8

[TypeG]

Domestic vs. Domestic and it's a "friendly" race.

ever heard of ford vs. chevy? later.

[92DX]

If you really think about it, import sport cars are more advanced than domestic sport cars. The major differences are:
-horsepower to displacement ratio
-overall weight
-mpg
-and most of the time, reliability
(some domestics tend to be unreliable at times)

[Accordlx]

and defnitely , youll see more import on the street than domestic for sure/

[HondaFan81]

I think everyone just needs to run their shit (whatever it is), respect other's projects/setups and whoever is winner is the winner, nuf said.

Everything else is just BS and waste of breathe IMO. If you lose, take it like a man or use it as motivation to enhance your setup for future races. Too many people all bark, no bite IMO that just totally pisses others off and in the end doesn't resolve anything.

"Put up or shut up basically..."

[ACCLUDE91]

Good points everyone!

And TypeG - even the chevy/ford guys are teaming up on the imports now. They used to be rivals but when imports started becoming fast, they kinda joined forces to try to beat up on the import guys. I see it everytime I go to the local dragstrip here. Most of the domestic guys just kinda stare at the import guys like we're dumb for wanting to race, whle I'll go over and start talking to them friendly about their cars and setups and timeslips and I try to bridge the gap as much as I can. They see me running low 15's and give some respect but they're hesitant to think that my little 4 banger can get any faster than that. We'll see what 12PSI+ will do to it. I'm thinkin low 12's

[lazyAE86]

I think they're always competitive cause they have something to prove maybe? a v-8 beating a v-8 is all fine and dandy but a 4 isnt supposed to beat an 8 so they get all pee pee hurt about it. some guy in a old 80's trans am told me to get a real car and race him AFTER i repeatedly schooled him with his girl in the car.. alot of domestics wont even race my cb7 and that guy in the trans am pissed me off... but i notice its usually always guys in "muscle" cars that talk the most shit...the srt-4 owners are gettin there. but theres no comparison to me between import and domestic, domestics are made much sloppier and to lower tolerences(body gaps anyone?) they may have more power stock but its just a shittier car altogether, which is one of the main reasons id pay a lil extra for a civic si or a rsx type-s over an srt-4 or cobalt ss

[owequitit]

The only thing that governs speed, that pretty much everybody neglects is power to weight ratio.

Most of the Domestic guys are of the opinion that because they have more cylinders and more "rated" power, they MUST be faster. That isn't necessarily true.

As Blackice stated. Domestics are usually heavier, so even though they have more power, they also have more weight. That means that they need more power to move that weight at the same speed. They also have more torque which in many cases leads to the illusion of faster acceleration.

I have also met a lot of domestic guys that are close minded about imports because they assume that they are economy cars and can't do anything else. They have no idea about the actual physics of making a car fast. They know that if you call Edelbrock and spend a penny or two, you will get more power. That is the extent of many car guys knowledge, not just domestics.

In the import scene, kids believe that if they put an exhaust and intake on their car, they can beat a fully built Camaro.

Really it boils down to ignorance and close mindedness on both sides.

Having been in the import scene for awhile (10 years or so) I can say that the domestics usually rev first.

[trickedaccord92]

I think everyone just needs to run their shit (whatever it is), respect other's projects/setups and whoever is winner is the winner, nuf said.

Everything else is just BS and waste of breathe IMO. If you lose, take it like a man or use it as motivation to enhance your setup for future races. Too many people all bark, no bite IMO that just totally pisses others off and in the end doesn't resolve anything.

"Put up or shut up basically..."

i like how you put that i have numerous people running cars that automatically think they can beat me and i tell um put up or shut up and they just want to talk shit rather than put up

[sulimed]

i like how you put that i have numerous people running cars that automatically think they can beat me and i tell um put up or shut up and they just want to talk shit rather than put up

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the bad thing is it's a group of girls(chevy girls). evey sunday night i go out and run with my guys, alot of the cats out there diss me for roll'n a honda, till i showed them how slow there cars are. now most show respect. but these bitchs keep following me around talk'n shit.at first i didn't pay them any mind, but everytime i turn around they'd be running off at the mouth, so i'd say put up or shut up. but all they do is keep talk'n shit. and the fucked up thing is they call themselfs the chevy girl and only one of them drives a chevy.

[deevergote]

Ricers and Rednecks are the main problems...

Ricers have that Napoleon Syndrome thing going. They know they're the underdog, and they think that they're hot stuff because of it. They're the first ones to start saying "I have a boost leak" or "I'm running rich".The ones that the Domestic guys usually think of when they knock imports are the Ricers.

Rednecks are the guys that go around spouting phrases like "there's no replacement for displacement." They refuse to believe that anything that has less than 8 cylinders can be fast, or that anything with 8 cylinders can be slow. They're usually the guys that drive the old Mustangs or Camaros that are covered in rust, with holes in various places on the body (but with a brand new cowl hood). When asked about the condition of their car, they say "it's all in the engine"... usually, the engine is stock and in just as poor condition as the rest of the car.

True car enthusiasts appreciate anything that has had some attention paid to it. My friend runs a 15.9 with his F22A1 and IHE. That's slow by most standards, but for his nearly stock CB7, I think it's impressive. The ignorant ones are the most audible voice on both sides, sadly.



You can't forget the Euro guys either! They've become different from the "import" crowd lately ("import" usually being a reference to Japanese cars). The Euro guys often seem to have a sense of superiority. Those cars usually take more money to modify than either Japanese or American cars though, so those that can afford to modify them can afford to really do it right.

[ACCLUDE91]

You said it Deev

There's ignorant people in every field, but it seems like when it comes to cars there's a ABUNDANCE OF IDIOTS AND IGNORANT ASSHOLES!

It's very frustrating sometimes to enjoy what you're doing when there's so much stupidity going on around you. I've considered dropping the car thing several times just because of that. Not that I would, but the thought has entered my mind.