!!!!!!!!!!k20 into a accord!!!!!!!!!!

[deevergote]

Exactly. Tuning a Honda, especially a CB7, is not the way to be the fastest thing on the street. Especially with so many quality turbo cars so readily availible. 30k for a used STi or Evo, 25k for a new Mazdaspeed 3, 15k for a used SRT-4... then you get into the 90s, where you can find DSMs for next to nothing (if you want to fix the problems associated with years of abuse! ) To get a FWD Honda up to speed with those cars, it takes considerably more money.

Then you take into account the fact that we have fairly heavy cars. The CB7 is NOT an ideal platform for anything in particular. It has great potential as an all around performer, but it definitely does not stand out in any one particular area. It's heavier than a Civic, FWD, not turbo stock, and not extremely nimble. The choice to tune a CB7 shouldn't be based on anything but a love for the car! It IS a wonderful driving machine, IMO!


Back on topic, the K series is superb. The headflow characteristics have been improved greatly over the VTEC H and B series monsters of the 90s. The import tuning bug has bitten US drivers well after the design of the H and B engines, so the K series may very well have amateur tuning in mind in the engineering (an assumption, but a good one).
Still, getting a K series engine to work properly in a CB7 will take more than just some fabricated mounts. Axles, shift linkage, electronics... all things that will make for a fair amount of headaches! For the price of a K swap, you could have a turbo H22. As Draztik said, it's all about what you want... if the originality of having a K swap is worth the cost, then I say it's justified! Hell, I still have great respect for the guys that had the H22 swap back in the day... I believe Accord SiR had his in the 90s! (I may be wrong, but I know he had it for a LONG time compared to most of us!)

[ray ray]

the only reason everyone is on the k-series band wagon is just like when we go to shows and meets down here now.they can point and say look ive got a k-series im better than you.lollolololol.who gives a shit.

i like my old h22 better, much easier to work on less money leaves me more for other stuff.im not trying to keep up with the jones's.

this accord in the pics is a very nice car and he did it because he works for hasport and they wanted to make a mount kit for it. so cool yeah heres my car.lol.but it is nicely done and the owner hisself will tell you it's not what he expected he wanted more power so he's going to put the accord k24 in and maybe nitrous it.or just throw a h22 into it.this is what he told us when we met up with him when i got my nitrous kit.

the k-series are nice but for right now i think it's just a status thing with people.just like the old b18's were when they first came out.and everyone started swapping them.

[deevergote]

The best part about the K series is the fact that unlike the H and B motors, the aftermarket will be growing instead of shrinking. H and B are old news. K is the future!

[cp[mike]]

you guys do realize that the hasport 5th gen mount kit is going to end up being almost directly usable in a CB, right? the mounts that matter are almost the same (rear is identical, driver side may or may not need to be trimmed, but its in the proper location). the one different one (tranny) is weld-on anyway. youd just need slightly shorter axles. id do a K swap just to do it, but i dont particularly want one.

[accord93racer]

an other about the k24 is that it is lighter than the h22...im not sure by how many pounds but i believe that it was in that same honda tuning article were they were they swapped the k24a2 into the 5th gen...

[deevergote]

you guys do realize that the hasport 5th gen mount kit is going to end up being almost directly usable in a CB, right? the mounts that matter are almost the same (rear is identical, driver side may or may not need to be trimmed, but its in the proper location). the one different one (tranny) is weld-on anyway. youd just need slightly shorter axles. id do a K swap just to do it, but i dont particularly want one.

If you want to do a K swap, Mike, just lemme know... I'll get that useless Euro R out of your way!

[h22sparkle]

If you want to do a K swap, Mike, just lemme know... I'll get that useless Euro R out of your way!

lol theres deev again hard at work

[h22sparkle]

the only reason everyone is on the k-series band wagon is just like when we go to shows and meets down here now.they can point and say look ive got a k-series im better than you.lollolololol.who gives a shit.

i like my old h22 better, much easier to work on less money leaves me more for other stuff.im not trying to keep up with the jones's.

this accord in the pics is a very nice car and he did it because he works for hasport and they wanted to make a mount kit for it. so cool yeah heres my car.lol.but it is nicely done and the owner hisself will tell you it's not what he expected he wanted more power so he's going to put the accord k24 in and maybe nitrous it.or just throw a h22 into it.this is what he told us when we met up with him when i got my nitrous kit.

the k-series are nice but for right now i think it's just a status thing with people.just like the old b18's were when they first came out.and everyone started swapping them.

I cant help but agree with you on this one. I think its just mostly for balluuuh status.

[timmy0tool]

people don't realize the advancements that the k-series motors have over the now-becoming-ancient B and H-series motors. at stock form k-series can out perform a mildly built B or H-series motor. K24 hybrids are another breed all together.

it's about bragging right now but they will dominate in the upcoming years. they will get cheaper and they will be easier to swap in. companies will make conversion parts and it will be the norm soon. the scene moves faster now which is a great thing! it was never like this back in the day. finding a B18 non-vtec in a civic was awsome for me back in 96!

[Smokinspeeds]

not to mention everyone said the same thing about the h22 in our cars back in the day. If people don't start somewhere, it won't ever get any easier or cheaper to swap. Someone will, and that will end up helping the rest of us.

[owequitit]

people don't realize the advancements that the k-series motors have over the now-becoming-ancient B and H-series motors. at stock form k-series can out perform a mildly built B or H-series motor. K24 hybrids are another breed all together.

it's about bragging right now but they will dominate in the upcoming years. they will get cheaper and they will be easier to swap in. companies will make conversion parts and it will be the norm soon. the scene moves faster now which is a great thing! it was never like this back in the day. finding a B18 non-vtec in a civic was awsome for me back in 96!

This is very true.

As cool as the K series is though, I would still rather see J swaps.

[cp[mike]]

As cool as the K series is though, I would still rather see J swaps.

and thats why i have no interest in K series.

[owequitit]

and thats why i have no interest in K series.

LOL!

I hear you on that one.

If you look at them funny they drop an extra 20WHP.

Or you can put the comptech SC on there at 4.5 lbs of boost and be right around 310WHP and just under 300lb/ft of torque.

Not to mention the exhaust note...

[JDMH22ACB7]

You could just buy that HASport Accord for $13,500.The owner is selling it on HondaSociety.True that motor has a 160HP rating.That particular motor has a TSX IM using the Accord TB,don't know if there is any gains there or not. I saw this car for sale and went through my brain thinking "where or who or how could i borrow $13,500?".I talked to some friends and i started thinking no I would have to drive the car as it sat for a year to pay it off! I would have stripped that CD and swapped all the shit into the CB for yes baluuggh status.The mounts for the CD aren't even available as of now! And i think the guy may have thought i was joking when i asked about the CB chassis.IDK imo $13,500 is a little too much to pay for a 1995 Accord even with a K and it's not a CB!lol. Especially to tear it apart and use it for one expensive parts car!I did talk with the owner of the car as well and he is selling it as it sits, I ask him because HASport said he was taking the motor out and putting it in a civic and H22 would go back in Accord and i was like .I Will get the link to HS up for you.

[DraZtiK]

also on HMO the K24 is $1000 for the longblock.. same price as the H22 i do believe.. once they come out with the mounts i'd much rather slap in the k24 with k20 head any day over the h22. theres a reason why i'm going build f22 with spray over a damn H22.. i wanna be different.. would the H22 be a better platform? of course. but for the price of swapping the h22 and h22 or h23 tranny.. you could have a built f22 that will be more reliable than the H22 and faster. i give props to people who stick with the F-series.. fully built at that.. don't see it everyday. once again its about personal preference.. not going fast. if you wanna go fast.. your modding the wrong car... also theres always going to be someone faster.. thats why i could care less about being the fastest on the street.