!!!!!!!!!!k20 into a accord!!!!!!!!!!

[owequitit]

only problem with the j series is that honda had such a spotty track record on the tranny's. first the 6th gen acccords, then the odysseys. we'll see how the 7th gens go as the mileage climbs.....

The 7th gens are doing fine. There are enough miles on the fleet now that it isn't really a concern anymore. The also fixed what was wrong.

Besides, I wouldn't swap a J series and an auto. No SiiiiiiiiiR It would have to be a 6 speed.

Their 6 speeds are fine and always have been.

[cp[mike]]

Besides, I wouldn't swap a J series and an auto. No SiiiiiiiiiR It would have to be a 6 speed.

Their 6 speeds are fine and always have been.

someday hopefully ill have a j32a2 in my cb. we will see...

[owequitit]

someday hopefully ill have a j32a2 in my cb. we will see...

That would be sweet, but I think I would rather have the J35XX in the RL or TL Type S.

Mucho more torque, same redline and powerband.

The J30A5 actually is very unappreciated too. It realistically puts down as much power as the original J32 Type S and well within about 10WHP of the new ones.

Plus it is square with a good stroke, so think of the rev potential...

[CB7Junkie]

the k series motors have a good bit of power but are better swaps for civics than our cb7's due to the lightweight potential of most civics. i drove a eg series civic with a k20 and ive got to say its one of the fastest cars ive ever driven.

[m-tec93accord]

really?????

a j30 in a cb7, well i do know that the cb7 and cb9 have similar engine bays as far as space(and well there is a v6 accord in that year as well)

as far as technical aspects of this swap, what would be need(just poking for info)

also what tranny(if not the original j30 tranny) would fit ours???

[owequitit]

really?????

a j30 in a cb7, well i do know that the cb7 and cb9 have similar engine bays as far as space(and well there is a v6 accord in that year as well)

as far as technical aspects of this swap, what would be need(just poking for info)

also what tranny(if not the original j30 tranny) would fit ours???

The bay is physically big enough, at least length x width wise.

It is within an inch in all measures as the CG Accord, so it will fit. The only thing I am not real sure about is height wise, but I think it would be ok here too.

Oddly, the J series actually takes up slightly less space than the F/H series, because the intake manifold is tucked in the V, and the exhuast manifolds are tucked under the cylinder heads. It is also narrower by virtue of the fact that it is only 3 cylinders wide instead of 4.

As far as what is needed? Pretty much everything electronic from the Accord. I suppose you could do a lot of mixing and matching, and get it to be OBD-1 with a cable activated throttle, but that might take awhile to find all of the ideal parts, and to make everything work together.

Actually getting the engine to mount would be an entirely custom job as would all A/C, power steering lines etc.

It wouldn't be easy, but it would be fun.

If a V6 6 speed combo can get a 3500lb Accord deep into the 14's, the CB7 with said combo should actually be somewhere in the 13's, and with a full compliment of bolt ons, who knows. Probably mid to low 13's if you could get it to hook.

[DaBzzMn]

Why would you choose to go with the J-series. They only come in auto or tiptronic. Unless they came in 6-speed. i would be happy for the job-in-progress. And i know everyone wants to put a K-series in to an accord, but it is not worth it. I just does not have the torque to pull or cars, like the H and F-series. It may be a 2.4 liter, but it hasn't satisfied me yet on its pull. A guy on honda-tech tried it in a 5th-gen lude and did the aftermarket parts to a K-series compared to his H. And guess what happened in those 4 months. The lost 30 pounds of torque on the dyno. They are really only made to be swaped into civics, hatchs, and crx cause they are light cars. If i am wrong someone please show me. Its just that i am tired of people making the k-series to accord swap overrated. I dont mean to affend anyone on here, i am just speaking out.

[owequitit]

Why would you choose to go with the J-series. They only come in auto or tiptronic. Unless they came in 6-speed. i would be happy for the job-in-progress. And i know everyone wants to put a K-series in to an accord, but it is not worth it. I just does not have the torque to pull or cars, like the H and F-series. It may be a 2.4 liter, but it hasn't satisfied me yet on its pull. A guy on honda-tech tried it in a 5th-gen lude and did the aftermarket parts to a K-series compared to his H. And guess what happened in those 4 months. The lost 30 pounds of torque on the dyno. They are really only made to be swaped into civics, hatchs, and crx cause they are light cars. If i am wrong someone please show me. Its just that i am tired of people making the k-series to accord swap overrated. I dont mean to affend anyone on here, i am just speaking out.

You need to check your Honda facts dude. Maybe that is why you get so frustrated.

1) The J series puts more power to the wheels stock and bolted to an auto tranny, than a mildly built H22 does with a manual tranny.

There is no torque comparison ever.

The J series also revs almost as high, and has more gear ratios to choose from.

It is also only a little heavier than the H22 is fully dressed.

It also sounds much cooler, especially with an exhaust. H22's scream, but they never sound like an exotic, which is what the J series sounds like with an exhaust.

Not to mention the fact that I can get it STOCK with up to 3.7L displacement and 300HP. That would be roughly 265WHP when mated to a 6 speed tranny, and I haven't even cracked the engine open yet. Not to mention the stock torque would be up around 250 or WTQ. Still stock.

2) The J series has been available with a 6 speed manual since the CL Type S debuted with it as an option in 2001 I believe.

3) The J series Accord has been available with a 6 speed manual since 2003 and the TL since 2004. There isn't a shortage of manual tranny J series.

4) What's the problem with an auto? My mom has a 2006 auto V6 and it will out run 90+% of the H swaps on this board. Bone stock, right down to the paper airfilter.

I can guarantee it. It would be worse if it was a 6 speed.

Her car once inched on a GTO.

5) As far as the K swap goes, it has already been proven time and time again that the H does NOT respond as well to mods as the K series.

The only way the guy on Honda tech saw a loss in torque with a K series is if he was A) trying to compare a K20 to an H22 (less displacement, less low end) or B) he was stupid.

K24 vs H22, the H will make less torque at all RPM's. The K series VVT also allows a broader torque range than what the H is capable of.

Just a K-pro, header and intake will put a K24 at a power point where you would be considering cams, IM's, etc on an H22. Then when you put cams and start doing some headwork, it is pretty much game over for the H.

There is a local guy trying to sell a semi-built K24 that is putting down over 280WHP and almost as much torque.

This is the theory that "muscle cars" were built on. Biggest engine possible in the smallest car possible. Power to weight.

Check Honda-tech for the thread with the J30 in the Civic...

[cp[mike]]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1315550

no other details or pictures besides the first three.

j32a2, 6spd, lsd. just a couple generations too recent

[lokuputha]

the V6 swap would be very cool.... im going to do some research

the engines are probably cheap...the only thing is custom lines....mounts...electrical...hmm

[wed3k]

i want an element just for the k motor.

[owequitit]

the V6 swap would be very cool.... im going to do some research

the engines are probably cheap...the only thing is custom lines....mounts...electrical...hmm

The engines aren't that cheap unfortunately. The J30A1's from the 1998-2002 Accord V6 aren't bad, but some of the newer ones require $$.

[ricedoutcb7]

You will never get what you paid for it.
I mean, the motor alone would cost you in upwards of $4000.

i think they run cheaper then that if the swaps cost that much just buy a wreaked rsx

[cb7rolln]

idunno man. i think k20's are not worth the amount of money it would take. not enough power, and who is gonna make a k20/k24 hybrid anyway. think of all the older accords and ludes who woul kill to have a h22a in the chassis they are in love with. you know? we are lucky we have a potent fairly direct swap. period.

[owequitit]

idunno man. i think k20's are not worth the amount of money it would take. not enough power, and who is gonna make a k20/k24 hybrid anyway. think of all the older accords and ludes who woul kill to have a h22a in the chassis they are in love with. you know? we are lucky we have a potent fairly direct swap. period.

That is why I wouldn't do a K series swap. For the amount of effort, it is just too easy to swap an H in there.

The biggest argument made in favor of the K series is how well it responds to bolt ons.

The J series responds just about as well, and you are starting off with 30-50WHP more to begin with. And I bet J series are cheaper than K series because everybody just has to have one.