getting only 300miles a tank

[lordoja]

5 speed

Yea , thats what I thought

naturally a 5spd will get better gas mileage than an automatic will since you can coast up to a stop and have full control of what RPM the engine is at.

You already said you drive like a grandma so you're never redlining the car.
If you take it to a Stealership first thing they will do is scratch their ass and then change your oil, and plugs. then charge you more to check the gaskets and oil again, then charge you even more to clean your emissions system, and oil again, pretty much they are going to go through the steps on Nurega's DIY and charge you up the ass for every step, since you know the warranty expired in what 1995 or so?

[android_proball]

Shoot. I only get 260-275.. Now I feel there's a problem

[C-Rod]

It's because it's winter. Trust me your car is fine, and supposedly wagons have shorter gears, making them shift at a higher rpm. I don't have a wagon so I couldn't tell you 100 percent. Im sure someone else can confirm thiss

[GeoffM]

Already answered this.

K douche. You said you filled it to the filler neck. How many gallons is that?
It will be different every time, so saying just up to the neck is useless.

[emosun]

K douche. You said you filled it to the filler neck. How many gallons is that?
It will be different every time, so saying just up to the neck is useless.

Up to the neck means I'm putting more gas in then the tank can hold , then running it to empty. Even if I didn't use every last drop in the tank , 300 is a joke. So don't call me a douche.

It's because it's winter. Trust me your car is fine, and supposedly wagons have shorter gears, making them shift at a higher rpm. I don't have a wagon so I couldn't tell you 100 percent. Im sure someone else can confirm thiss

I've had this car for a year and a half winter hasn't changed the millage it was still bad during the summer.

[Kamatari+]

I think you also need to get a better idea of your real gas mileage. Define a "tank" of gas. Your tank capacity (down to the very bottom) is about 17 gallons. 300 miles divided by 17 mpg is 17.6 gallons of fuel (more than your tank holds). If you fill up when the light comes on (typically at about 14 gallons in my Accords), then 300 ...

The light? The light being the low fuel light?

[Fleetw00d]

Up to the neck means I'm putting more gas in then the tank can hold , then running it to empty. Even if I didn't use every last drop in the tank , 300 is a joke. So don't call me a douche.

This may be part of your problem. Don't fill it past initial shut off. Filling it all the way to the top of the filler neck will cause fuel to back up into the evaporative control canister, you may even be dumping fuel through it. Not sure, but flooding the canister may actually damage it.

Back to the amount of fuel you put in. You'll have to define empty: until the "low fuel" light comes on (typically 2 - 3 gallons reserve still in tank) or until it runs out of fuel (REALLY empty)? Keep a record of the number of gallons used and the mileage driven and do the math. I keep a log in Excel for each of my vehicles, then plot the mileage (instantaneous, averaged over six fill ups, and total since I bought the vehicle). I can't help it, I'm an engineer. Chart below is for my coupe. Keep in mind all the thing that will affect the mileage for any particular tank of gas: driving type, style, variability in pump shut off, different blends of fuel, etc. Most of the high peaks represent a long highway trip, mostly round trips from Cincinnati to Pensacola, FL. Most of the rest of it is mixed highway/city.



Sorry, I just realized you are asking about a wagon. The wagons do have a slightly higher (numerically) final drive ratio in the differential which will reduce mileage some from the coupe/sedans. My 93 LX wagon auto gets 28 on the highway, low to mid 20's around town, even less when my daughter's have it at school (only driven a few miles in a day less than once a week). Advice is still good though, keep a good record so you know what your actual mileage is.

[GeoffM]

Here's what to do:
The next time you fill up, reset your trip odometer.
Record exactly how much gas you put in. Don't brim it, just let it go till the pump stops then call it good.
The next time you fill up, record what the trip odometer says and how much gas you've added.

Now, divide trip miles by gallons. You now have your MPGs. Post them so we can see if there's an actual problem.

[emosun]

Here's what to do:
The next time you fill up, reset your trip odometer.
Record exactly how much gas you put in. Don't brim it, just let it go till the pump stops then call it good.
The next time you fill up, record what the trip odometer says and how much gas you've added.

Now, divide trip miles by gallons. You now have your MPGs. Post them so we can see if there's an actual problem.

I done this 10 times over and it's 17mpg.

guys , my problem isn't recording the fuel usage , I already know how to do that and have done it several times. The car is getting 17mpg highway.

What I'm really interested in is
1. what are some easy fixes (which I got a nice list earlier , ty)
2. why does it shift so high and late?
3. why does my torque converter work backwards? (on when I accelerate , off when I cruise)

[Fleetw00d]

I done this 10 times over and it's 17mpg.

guys , my problem isn't recording the fuel usage , I already know how to do that and have done it several times. The car is getting 17mpg highway.

What I'm really interested in is
1. what are some easy fixes (which I got a nice list earlier , ty)
2. why does it shift so high and late?
3. why does my torque converter work backwards? (on when I accelerate , off when I cruise)

OK, 17 mpg, it's just that your references to how much was being used were somewhat vague (unfortunately like a lot of other threads about fuel mileage). Some specifics early on would have shut us up.

1. Along with things earlier, make sure transmission fluid is at correct level, check tire pressure (if the max inflation listed on the tires is 44, I would recommend running them at least in the upper 30's), check fuel line from the tank to the filter, fuel rail, and return line from the regulator to the tank for leaks, check the fuel pressure in the rail, check timing.
2. For 2.32 V at the throttle position sensor (about 1/2 throttle) it should shift: 1-2 @ 17-21 mph; 2-3 @35-39 mph; 3-4 @ 54-60 mph; and lock up at 60-65 mph (1993 Accord Manual).
3. Likely the transmission throttle valve is misadjusted. See this thread: http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=182770

[blackcrown]

1. Along with things earlier, make sure transmission fluid is at correct level, check tire pressure (if the max inflation listed on the tires is 44, I would recommend running them at least in the upper 30's), check fuel line from the tank to the filter, fuel rail, and return line from the regulator to the tank for leaks, check the fuel pressure in the rail, check timing.
2. For 2.32 V at the throttle position sensor (about 1/2 throttle) it should shift: 1-2 @ 17-21 mph; 2-3 @35-39 mph; 3-4 @ 54-60 mph; and lock up at 60-65 mph (1993 Accord Manual).
3. Likely the transmission throttle valve is misadjusted. See this thread: http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=182770

+1 for tire pressure! you would be surprised how much this affects your milage. i was losing 2-4 mpg having my tires underinflated

[GeoffM]

If you were really a stickler, you could run skinnier tires. That would give you a noticeable increase. You'd also notice the handling decrease.

[emosun]

1-2 @ 17-21 mph; 2-3 @35-39 mph; 3-4 @ 54-60 mph; and lock up at 60-65 mph (1993 Accord Manual)

Yea it shifts much sooner then that. 3rd happens at like 30mph , and 4th is at like 40. it does lock up provided I keep accelerating , but as soon as I just hold 60 it unlocks again. Once I accelerate to 65 it'll lock , then unlock when I hold 65.

[Fleetw00d]

Yea it shifts much sooner then that. 3rd happens at like 30mph , and 4th is at like 40. it does lock up provided I keep accelerating , but as soon as I just hold 60 it unlocks again. Once I accelerate to 65 it'll lock , then unlock when I hold 65.

Is that at about half throttle? You would need a volt meter on the position sensor to get it exactly. Follow the link provided for adjusting the transmission throttle cable.

[emosun]

I filled the car today after it was empty and it only took 13 gallons.

So if the manual is right then I would have had 4 gallons in the tank still even though the gauge read empty.