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    250 whp F22ax all motor?

    The F22A is amazing, and we beat tons of pro K-series guys, with a fraction of the budget they have. For goodness sakes, I still run a stock windshield (and they hate it).

    The guesswork is now gone with the F22A. We have all you need to exceed your goals. A simple recipe:

    86mm bore
    12:1 Bisimoto shelf pistons
    Custom Bisimoto level 2.9 camshaft
    Ported head (will help a bunch)
    Bisimoto pro springs
    H23 intake manifold
    Oversized throttle body
    Bisimoto F22a header (or at least something decent)
    2.5" or larger exhaust system
    Good engine management (AEM or Hondata)

    Voila!!
    ______
    it was found on this website
    http://www.onecamonly.com/showthread.php?t=2105&page=3

    I have been going over in my mind if i should build the F22 in my 92s prelude, or swap out a H23vtec hybrid. I have been searching for a few weeks now to help make the decision and i can across this. I would like to know if anyone can verify, if 250 WHP can be reached this way or with a method simular. If i am posting in the wrong section Mods please move this. Thanks guys and feed back would be great.
    Last edited by naj3000; 04-10-2011, 10:56 PM. Reason: ppl were confused
    Tags: 250 whp, all motor, f22ax all motor, na f22
    #2
    Hybrids aren't a great idea... and are notoriously unreliable, especially when built by someone with little engine building experience.

    The F22A can make 250whp quite easily, if built correctly. www.bisimoto.com is pretty much the only site you need to build an F22A that makes that much power.


    And what does "knolling" mean?






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      #3
      knoll 2 (nl) Archaic
      v. knolled, knoll·ing, knolls
      v.intr.
      To ring mournfully; knell.
      v.tr.
      To ring or sound (a bell, for example) mournfully; knell.
      n.
      A knell.

      I am not sure if that is what he is talking about.... LOL

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        #4
        That's why I asked. I could not for the life of me discern the meaning of the word based on his context. I assume he meant to say "mulling".






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          #5
          I was "thinking" about building a hybrid, it is an expression. And yes you are correct hybrids can indeed be unreliable if built incorrectly, and by no means is this motor going to be built by someone with no experience. I am fully aware of bisi and his work. The reason i am asking if anyone has done this, is because i don't see if anyone has done this. And going over the web site, I don't see the answer.

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            #6
            no one has done it so that means dont do it.
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              #7
              Originally posted by wed3k View Post
              no one has done it so that means dont do it.
              On the contrary..if it hasn't been done before, all the more reason to be the first. Like he said, this wouldn't be done by somebody with mediocre experience.

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                #8
                Can it be done, sure! Will it be cheap, no!

                If you already have someone who knows how to build engines. Why would you bother asking if it can be done on a forum where 90% of it's members are running bolt-ons?
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by wed3k View Post
                  no one has done it so that means dont do it.
                  that means nothing. Just beecasue I dont know if someone has done it dosn't mean it shouldn't be atempped. Looking for N/A builds and everyone says dont N/A an F. but you know how that turned out. The most powerful allmotor is an F. Yes it not daily driven but its alive and killin

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by GhostAccord View Post
                    Can it be done, sure! Will it be cheap, no!

                    If you already have someone who knows how to build engines. Why would you bother asking if it can be done on a forum where 90% of it's members are running bolt-ons?
                    Im fully aware its not cheap, and BTW ive seen your accord and its a nice one. And the reason i'm asking here is because I see that there is an N/A section here that has the most powerful builds on the site and it dosnt appear to up to date. And if only 90% of the people are running just bolt ons I was hoping someone that has built a N/A F22 would be able to shed some light on this. And last thing... has anyone here seen the link that i posted in the first post?
                    Last edited by naj3000; 04-10-2011, 09:43 PM.

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                      #11
                      Who says you can't do an N/A build on an F?
                      That's why I mentioned Bisimoto... his record breaking N/A engine making well over 400whp is an F.

                      I just checked the link... Aside from it being about a guy building his F20A (which has the same head as our F22A), I don't really see the relevance. Just another guy that's fumbling his way through the learning process (and a few people that are equally confused...)


                      wed3k was being sarcastic... it's just that the new members don't understand his thoroughly irritating sense of humor.

                      In all honesty, a hybrid will have a different bore diameter in the cylinder vs. the combustion chamber. The oil and coolant passages won't match up. The redline and compression would be lower than a full H22. The money and work that it would take to make it reliable would be better spent doing a fully built stroker H22. Though honestly... the F22A will give you what you need as long as you do it right.


                      To get 250whp N/A out of any Honda motor, and have it be reliable at all... expect to spend $8,000 to $10,000.






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                        #12
                        Originally posted by deevergote View Post
                        Who says you can't do an N/A build on an F?
                        That's why I mentioned Bisimoto... his record breaking N/A engine making well over 400whp is an F.

                        I just checked the link... Aside from it being about a guy building his F20A (which has the same head as our F22A), I don't really see the relevance. Just another guy that's fumbling his way through the learning process (and a few people that are equally confused...)


                        wed3k was being sarcastic... it's just that the new members don't understand his thoroughly irritating sense of humor.

                        In all honesty, a hybrid will have a different bore diameter in the cylinder vs. the combustion chamber. The oil and coolant passages won't match up. The redline and compression would be lower than a full H22. The money and work that it would take to make it reliable would be better spent doing a fully built stroker H22. Though honestly... the F22A will give you what you need as long as you do it right.


                        To get 250whp N/A out of any Honda motor, and have it be reliable at all... expect to spend $8,000 to $10,000.
                        People down the F becasue it is a SOCH, non vtec, and only has 85mill chambers. If go to almost any prelude forum, you will see that people will say swap it or boost it. And my post dose not say you CANT do an all motor F22, It says people say not to. And Yes buddy i know about bisi, and his 455whp all motor insight it is indeed beast, the hybrid that I was talking about is doable and very reliable, all it is is putting an H23 or F22 crank in an H22a1 block no need to try and reline any oil ports. Or you can put the H22 head on a H23 block, the block is the same thing they are just branded differently. But that is not what the thread was about. I want to know if anyone has done it. I know it is very possible to make the numbers. I want to know if anyone has done it.

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                          #13
                          Bisi has done it.....

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by deevergote View Post

                            I just checked the link... Aside from it being about a guy building his F20A (which has the same head as our F22A), I don't really see the relevance. Just another guy that's fumbling his way through the learning process (and a few people that are equally confused...)

                            there appears to be a miss understanding here



                            The F22A is amazing, and we beat tons of pro K-series guys, with a fraction of the budget they have. For goodness sakes, I still run a stock windshield (and they hate it).

                            The guesswork is now gone with the F22A. We have all you need to exceed your goals. A simple recipe:

                            86mm bore
                            12:1 Bisimoto shelf pistons
                            Custom Bisimoto level 2.9 camshaft
                            Ported head (will help a bunch)
                            Bisimoto pro springs
                            H23 intake manifold
                            Oversized throttle body
                            Bisimoto F22a header (or at least something decent)
                            2.5" or larger exhaust system
                            Good engine management (AEM or Hondata)

                            Voila!!
                            ______

                            ^^^^^^
                            this is what i am refering to. not the F20

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                              #15
                              Wow, i never saw that thread before. I know Piratemcfred knows his stuff, simply by his posts... but now I see the extent of it. And I notice he modified the diameter of the combustion chambers...






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