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    #46
    Originally posted by reklipz View Post
    It's still illegal federally, but I doubt the local law enforcement will try to enforce that at all. 25% tax 3 times over is a lot of extra dough to be raking in. I wonder how this will affect marijuana prices, and I can only assume it will bring the quality and availability through the mother f*cking roof!

    The next thing that needs to happen is with employment. I believe employers are still allowed (read, it's still legal) to screen employees based upon their drug use, recreational or otherwise. I think the federal law needs to be changed in order for this to change. Anyone have more insight?
    Never going to happen, and no it doesn't need to change. Science has proven repeatedly (real science, not faux science) that MJ causes impairment. As such, employeers will continue to screen, will continue to terminate and will continue to exclude its use while on the job (or being under the influence, or even an suspicion of being under the influence). They are liable for millions and millions of dollars, and thus have the right to say "no, you can't use it." Unless of course you want to pass a law that relieves them of all liability pertaining to drug use related accidents, and assume the millions in negligence liability yourself. I am sure then that they wouldn't give two shits if you are under the influence.

    Law of unintended consequences. Everyone wanted to pass the liability buck onto the businesses, so now that they are liable, they have the exclusive right to limit it as they see fit. Don't get to have it both ways.
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      #47
      I dont see it ever being Legal across all 50 states.

      I think some states will endorse and others will not.

      And they will never allow it while driving/working and for good reason.

      Im in between.

      I think it is kind of silly but if legalizing it would prevent nonsense and return revenue then im all for it.

      Problem is there is the law of unintended consequences just like Scott mentioned.

      Always are.

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        #48
        Originally posted by owequitit View Post
        Never going to happen, and no it doesn't need to change. Science has proven repeatedly (real science, not faux science) that MJ causes impairment. As such, employeers will continue to screen, will continue to terminate and will continue to exclude its use while on the job (or being under the influence, or even an suspicion of being under the influence). They are liable for millions and millions of dollars, and thus have the right to say "no, you can't use it." Unless of course you want to pass a law that relieves them of all liability pertaining to drug use related accidents, and assume the millions in negligence liability yourself. I am sure then that they wouldn't give two shits if you are under the influence.

        Law of unintended consequences. Everyone wanted to pass the liability buck onto the businesses, so now that they are liable, they have the exclusive right to limit it as they see fit. Don't get to have it both ways.
        I agree mostly, but a shining example: you can't get fired for using alcohol recreationally, why should marijuana be any different? I'm not saying that being under the influence while working should be tolerated; not by a long shot. The problem is that the method of detection doesn't say anything about when you ingested it, or even if you're under the influence.

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          #49
          Originally posted by deevergote View Post
          True, alcohol does impair rational reasoning more than weed does. Still, I think weed is more of a gateway drug for those that make a conscious, sober decision to try something harder.
          You smoke weed, realize that you "did drugs", and the next thing you know, you're wondering what other drugs are like.

          If the social classification of weed isn't "drug", then people are less likely to associate the two. Most people don't think "hey, I like beer, so let me try crack!"
          If sparking up a joint can eventually be considered to be no more deviant than cracking open a brew, it'll be a much better situation.
          To pretend that there are no ramifications for cracking open a brew is silly.

          Also consider this. If you remove the deterrent effect of it being outright illegal, then you will have more "transgressions" when it comes to doing things like driving a car, even though it isn't strictly legal. Take alcohol for instance. Drunk driving consumes approximately 40,000 lives every year, and is by far, the largest non-natural killer in the US. We complain about gun control, wars, murders and stabbings, but every year we are killing more than all of those combined by putting a lethal weapon (cars) in the hands of drunk people. To put these losses in perspective, we have not killed one year's worth of drunk driving deaths in the entirety of Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been going for 11 years now. I hate to consider how many millions more "impaired" people might change those statistics once you add MJ to alcohol.

          While it may reduce the negatively social ramifications of smoking weed, it is unlikely to have a net benefit to society as a whole. Consider this. Someone who is under the influence of MJ, hits another car racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills. Their insurance won't cover it because they were intoxicated, and now the victim's family has to either pay the bills, or the government eats it when it is charged off by the hospital (ruining the victim's credit in the process). Considering the number of people and the cost of such incidents, the net value of the revenue gain will at least be far less than it is being advertised as. Plus, now you have to start racking up more deaths that didn't need to happen.

          I agree that alcohol is a problem, however, two wrongs do not make a right, and there really is no moral justification for saying "well this is bad, so we should just overlook this other bad factor."

          Originally posted by cuate01221 View Post
          I honestly think alcohol should be banned rather than marijuana. Look at how many people who drink alcohol become aggressive and abuse their spouse and children. Now look at how many people who smoke marijuana become aggressive and abuse their spouse and children. I have never seen anybody die, become aggressive, or do other violent things while smoking marijuana(and that is a lot of people from my town). On the other hand, I have been in situations where a drunk person threatens people, and becomes violent and aggressive. Even as a kid my father was an alcoholic who threatened to burn the house down because my mother yelled at him for peeing on her shoes.(He has sinced stopped)

          And Deeve, alcohol is a drug as well. Anything that chemically makes a change to your body is considered a drug.
          You will see the incidents of reports go up as usage becomes more common. The primary reason there are so many alcohol related crimes is because alcohol has a much higher rate of consumption annually than MJ. Partly because of the legal issues, but also just because, like Deev said, it will become more socially acceptable, so more people will use.

          Originally posted by reklipz View Post
          I agree mostly, but a shining example: you can't get fired for using alcohol recreationally, why should marijuana be any different? I'm not saying that being under the influence while working should be tolerated; not by a long shot. The problem is that the method of detection doesn't say anything about when you ingested it, or even if you're under the influence.
          No, but you most certainly can get fired for being impaired on the job. Here is the rub. Alcohol is broken down much faster than MJ, which means if they test you and find more than a threshold value, you are gone, whether you used recently or not. Then you add in the time to allow for transport to work, and not being able to operate any vehicles to get there, and you might be looking at several days of cleanliness to make whatever thresholds are determined to be the minimum.

          Again, since companies have the ultimate liability, they also have the ultimate say, and you can pretty much eliminate any large corporations from you list of potential acceptors, any business that engages in transportation of anything, operates heavy machinery, or is in some way made more dangerous by being under the influence of anything. Legality is by far the least of the considerations. Consider my industry where you can't even use most OTC drugs and still be legal to operate. Our alcohol regs also have stipulations in them that say you can't be "under the influence," which includes hangover, headache, GI distress or any other factor that is abnormal and was caused by consumption. Even if you blow a .00. The company I work for is even more restrictive than the regulations, and has a ZERO tolerance policy. It will be treated no differently than alcohol.
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            #50
            nevada has open container acceptance...i wonder about sparking a phatty in the public?
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              #51
              pa.................

              i live in pa i take a few meds im not willing to share $ i smoke say 3 grams a day if cannabis was legal i wouldnt be addicted to dr meds and all that bs cause anxiety,it helps my back pain helps my sa helps me sleep what dosent it do its a great drug if the goverment wouldnt make so much money off it by catching people fines jail and probation give it up cops we are gonna smoke! pa wont do it but i dont care i smoke evry day
              Originally posted by deevergote
              This thread is over a year old, you fucking retard.
              i dont know why this popped up but U MAD BRO? not my fault u is FAKE! CLOWN ASS

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                #52
                Bump for mj love. Screw the nay sayers...

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by speedfr3ak View Post
                  i live in pa i take a few meds im not willing to share $ i smoke say 3 grams a day if cannabis was legal i wouldnt be addicted to dr meds and all that bs cause anxiety,it helps my back pain helps my sa helps me sleep what dosent it do its a great drug if the goverment wouldnt make so much money off it by catching people fines jail and probation give it up cops we are gonna smoke! pa wont do it but i dont care i smoke evry day
                  I heard it also improves your grammer skills.
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                    #54
                    A drug is a drug. I watched a lot of documentaries on MJ. Its interesting how the facts/stats print out in Europe where its more acceptable.

                    I'm sure we are all adults and don't need to debate the pros and cons of MJ as its an old debate. I find it funny how many times over the centuries that MJ was legal, illegal, legal, in the US. Same with alcohol.

                    You can't OD on MJ, which is a good thing. And it does have medicinal purposes for many cancer patients. I have seen far too many adults be abusive, etc on alcohol. I would love for my mom to NOT be a alcoholic and if she had to choose a drug I'd like her to use MJ, where at least I'd get cake out of the deal instead of whatever she is now

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Raf99 View Post
                      A drug is a drug. I watched a lot of documentaries on MJ. Its interesting how the facts/stats print out in Europe where its more acceptable.

                      I'm sure we are all adults and don't need to debate the pros and cons of MJ as its an old debate. I find it funny how many times over the centuries that MJ was legal, illegal, legal, in the US. Same with alcohol.

                      You can't OD on MJ, which is a good thing. And it does have medicinal purposes for many cancer patients. I have seen far too many adults be abusive, etc on alcohol. I would love for my mom to NOT be a alcoholic and if she had to choose a drug I'd like her to use MJ, where at least I'd get cake out of the deal instead of whatever she is now

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by phatdoughnut View Post
                        I heard it also improves your grammer skills.
                        What about your spelling?

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                          #57
                          LOL@ some of these replies.

                          The only thing MJ does medically is relieve anxiety and pain....it does not cure anything...

                          so throwing around the "medicinal" notion is fucking silly.

                          It just gets you high, thats it.

                          Same as Morphine.

                          Shit don't cure anything except to relieve the pain of your fucking leg being amputated so you can die peacefully.

                          Give it up.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Ralphie View Post
                            LOL@ some of these replies.

                            The only thing MJ does medically is relieve anxiety and pain....it does not cure anything...

                            so throwing around the "medicinal" notion is fucking silly.

                            It just gets you high, thats it.

                            Same as Morphine.

                            Shit don't cure anything except to relieve the pain of your fucking leg being amputated so you can die peacefully.

                            Give it up.
                            So alprazolam, diazepam, and all those benzodiazepines aren't medicinal?
                            How about oxycodone, morphine, codeine, and other opiates, are they not medicine?
                            Your logic is silly, also medical marijuana is also used to induce hunger and reduce nausea in cancer patients going into chemo.

                            P.S. Just because something doesn't cure something doesn't mean it's not medicinal. Chemo doesn't cure cancer, Aderall doesn't cure ADHD, and benadryl doesn't cure allergies.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by RustyBucket View Post
                              What about your spelling?
                              I don't smoke weed so I can do whatever I want.
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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Amiss View Post
                                So alprazolam, diazepam, and all those benzodiazepines aren't medicinal?
                                How about oxycodone, morphine, codeine, and other opiates, are they not medicine?
                                Your logic is silly, also medical marijuana is also used to induce hunger and reduce nausea in cancer patients going into chemo.
                                Its medicinal only in the sense that it is used in medicine and in the treatment of patients.

                                The way everyone clings onto it as such a benefit because it grows naturally and everyone and their mama uses it for "medicinal" reasons is just absurd.

                                I have seen how it goes down in Ca.

                                You fake the funk and get a scrip.

                                Ya, real medicinal.

                                Its just a front.

                                And don't take it so personal, I wasn't directing it at anyone in particular.

                                I just get tired of seeing people throw it around like it is a fucking break through.

                                Its not rocket science that it would do the things that it does. Ask any 14 year old who has smoked it, and im sure they could figure it out.

                                Originally posted by Amiss View Post

                                P.S. Just because something doesn't cure something doesn't mean it's not medicinal. Chemo doesn't cure cancer, Aderall doesn't cure ADHD, and benadryl doesn't cure allergies.
                                Exactly. It doesn't cure anything, so stop acting like it's a miracle drug because it gets you through another day.

                                I smoked for the better part of my teens....from at least 15 all the way through 20 when I left for the Army.

                                Had plenty of good times.

                                Then I grew up.

                                You want to use it recreation-ally, go right ahead.

                                You have an ailment and it makes it easier to put up with constantly shitting out your brains....have at it.


                                Just don't try to preach that it's fucking mind blowing.

                                Its pot.
                                Last edited by Ralphie; 11-16-2012, 10:43 PM.

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