"Honda Unveils 2011 LMP2 Race Engine – Based on Accord V6"

[alb_accord]

http://www.acuraworld.com/forums/f14...cord-v6-96668/



ohhhh really. i mean first you give us a big fat heavy chasy and then you come to your senses and give us this motor. someone at honda just woke up from 15 year sleep

ps.... tuuuuuurboooo

[ibr_adam09]

An upside down oil filter ? That'll create a mess.

[Paradien]

An upside down oil filter ? That'll create a mess.

And by the belts.....

[deevergote]

It won't really create much of a mess until it comes off. And since it's a race engine, the engine is probably going to be torn down and rebuilt before that filter needs to be changed!

The link isn't working for me, so I don't see anything more than what this thread says. What is this going in? What race series will it be used in?
A turbo 6 is definitely a departure for Honda! They need it, though. Hopefully a version of it makes it to a production vehicle. Honda has some amazing N/A V6s, but all the rest of the competition has turbo and/or V8s to offer as well.

[WilliamW]

It won't really create much of a mess until it comes off. And since it's a race engine, the engine is probably going to be torn down and rebuilt before that filter needs to be changed!

The link isn't working for me, so I don't see anything more than what this thread says. What is this going in? What race series will it be used in?
A turbo 6 is definitely a departure for Honda! They need it, though. Hopefully a version of it makes it to a production vehicle. Honda has some amazing N/A V6s, but all the rest of the competition has turbo and/or V8s to offer as well.

It will probably never see a production car. I'm saddened too.

Here is the article on the other site.

"Honda Performance Development is the first engine manufacturer to release details of an engine that complies with the ACO's revised technical regulations that go into effect for the 2011 ALMS/Le Mans season. This new HPD LMP2 engine, based on Honda's global V6 engine used in everything from the Accord to the Acura ZDX, is a 2.8-liter twin-turbo that utilizes HPD's exclusive engine-control system.

This engine is the product of a joint effort between HPD and Honda R&D Americas, Inc. (HRA). Product R&D engineers from HRA's Raymond, Ohio center worked with HPD race engineers to create a powerful racing engine that meets the new regulations that state that the engine must be production-based and must cost no more than $90,000.

It is expected that this new 2.8-liter turbo V6 will be fitted to Highcroft Racing's P2 chassis for competition in the American Le Mans series, while in Europe it will be Strakka Racing putting this engine to use in the European Le Mans series. It's unclear at this point if Highcroft and Strakka will be required to manufacture a new chassis for 2011 or if their existing P2 cars (which are currently powered by a 3.4-liter V8) will be allowed to run the new turbo V6. We'll let you know as soon as these details become available."

So it's going to cost less than 90,000 dollars. Good to know. LOL Doesn't mean I don't want one.

[GeoffM]

2.8-liter twin-turbo

I was reading through this entire thing genuinely hoping to see that. New S20000 motor? (Extra 0 was intentional)

[sulimed]

I was reading through this entire thing genuinely hoping to see that. New S20000 motor? (Extra 0 was intentional)

IF they were to to put it in to a production car it would probably be a next gen NSX.

[owequitit]

It won't really create much of a mess until it comes off. And since it's a race engine, the engine is probably going to be torn down and rebuilt before that filter needs to be changed!

The link isn't working for me, so I don't see anything more than what this thread says. What is this going in? What race series will it be used in?
A turbo 6 is definitely a departure for Honda! They need it, though. Hopefully a version of it makes it to a production vehicle. Honda has some amazing N/A V6s, but all the rest of the competition has turbo and/or V8s to offer as well.

This is a destroked J35. Displaced 2.8 liters, makes "about 450" HP, according to HPD.

It won't see production. The J series replacement will be debuting in a short time (probably about 1 more year). As good as the J series is, I expect the new engine to offer quite a bit of additional technology.

Also, Honda is no stranger to turbo V6's. The had 1.5L V6's running in the 1980's making around 1500HP in qualifying trim. Honda was the manufacturer that orginally started using Toluene as a fuel source in F1 around that same time frame.

[GeoffM]

IF they were to to put it in to a production car it would probably be a next gen NSX.

I'd be completely ok with that.

[Ghetto_CB7]

Production car

If HPD is the one making it there is a good chance it doesn't need to make it into a production car.

They seem VERY into becoming the Mugen of America. They were issued permission to release production vehicles, meaning there could be HPD civics, accords, fits....

I would not be suprised to see them sell a version of this motor for race accords, it would be pricey, but it may be obtainable.

EDIT: Hopefully the new technology involves AVTEC

[alb_accord]

aperantly that motor is being used on accord and zdx. but this other one looks like a v8 ahahaha.
all they need to give us now is lighter and stiffer chasis.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ur-racers.html

this article is from www.autoguide.com



"Honda Performance Development (HPD), a division of Honda that is behind motorsports activities like the company’s American Le Mans Series efforts, is launching a new program to help both professional and amateur racers.

Dubbed Honda Racing Line, this new grassroots motorsports initiative will allow members access to HPD and OEM products, as well as certain services. Members can log on to HondaRacingLine.com to see parts and even order them for expedited delivery.

Now celebrating 50 years in America Honda launched Honda Racing Line to help those Honda racers who have relied on their products. In turn Honda wants to raise its profile and the profile of Honda Racing int he U.S.

“For many years, Honda enthusiasts have campaigned our products in racing series throughout the U.S.,” said Erik Berkman, President of Honda Performance Development. “On the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the Honda brand in the United States, we are pleased to announce that we will now support those efforts directly, by introducing products and services geared toward helping our customers fulfill their racing dreams.”

Official release after the jump:

Honda Performance Development, Inc. Launches Grassroots Motorsports Initiative
Will Develop Products, Services for Amateur, Lower-Level Professional Racers

07/24/2009 – ELKHART LAKE, Wis. – Honda Performance Development, Inc. (HPD), the authorized Honda and Acura auto racing company in North America, today announced a new automotive initiative targeted at expanding its presence in the grassroots motorsports market.

The broad-based initiative will include the development of products and services that support competition in the amateur and entry-level professional ranks, and will also include integrated marketing activities designed to raise the profile of Honda Racing and HPD.

“For many years, Honda enthusiasts have campaigned our products in racing series throughout the U.S.,” said Erik Berkman, President of Honda Performance Development. “On the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the Honda brand in the United States, we are pleased to announce that we will now support those efforts directly, by introducing products and services geared toward helping our customers fulfill their racing dreams.”

The new program will ultimately include an array of products and services for Honda and Acura customers who compete in amateur and professional racing. These products include both original equipment parts and racing-performance parts.

To launch its new grassroots initiative, HPD will operate the Honda Racing Line, a club targeted at licensed participants in amateur and entry-level professional racing. The Honda Racing Line will provide its members with a direct connection to Honda Performance Development and its unparalleled record of success at the pinnacle levels of motorsport.

This channel to factory support, which will offer Honda Racing Line members the opportunity to purchase racing-performance parts for expedited delivery, has not existed previously.

“Thousands of our customers are racing Hondas or Acuras today with a need for regular access to parts,” Berkman noted. “A market has clearly been established for a service like the Honda Racing Line. We are pleased to provide that service, and look forward to expanding the roster of benefits and services available to Honda Racing Line members.”

Competitors may register for the Honda Racing Line club and gain access to the parts catalogue through a website portal, HondaRacingLine.com . Additional Racing Line membership benefits will be announced as they are developed.

HPD’s new grassroots motorsports initiative also supports the fans of grassroots racing through an integrated marketing plan, focusing on fan identification with the Honda Racing brand through merchandise sales and additional services.

Specific details regarding other components of the new grassroots motorsports initiative will be announced throughout the year.

Honda Performance Development, Inc. (HPD) is the factory-authorized Honda and Acura racing company within North America. Founded in 1993, and located in Santa Clarita, Calif., HPD is the technical operations center for Honda and Acura’s highperformance racing cars and engines. In addition to its grassroots motorsports participation, HPD is the single engine supplier to the IndyCar Series and competes in prototype sports-car racing under the Acura banner in the American Le Mans Series"

[deevergote]

This is a destroked J35. Displaced 2.8 liters, makes "about 450" HP, according to HPD.

It won't see production. The J series replacement will be debuting in a short time (probably about 1 more year). As good as the J series is, I expect the new engine to offer quite a bit of additional technology.

Also, Honda is no stranger to turbo V6's. The had 1.5L V6's running in the 1980's making around 1500HP in qualifying trim. Honda was the manufacturer that orginally started using Toluene as a fuel source in F1 around that same time frame.

Oh yeah, I know that they can do turbo. I know that they can do V8 as well... we just have yet to see this stuff in a production vehicle.
I know Honda has always taken pride in their small, efficient engines (and by efficient I mean lots of power with little displacement... not good on gas, though that's true too.) They've proven themselves there. I would probably take a Honda I4 or V6 over any naturally aspirated I4 or V6 from any other maker.

Of course, for anything crazy to really be worthwhile, they'd need a platform worthy of it. I could see a turbo 6 in the TL, and a V8 in the RL, but that's about it.

[owequitit]

Oh yeah, I know that they can do turbo. I know that they can do V8 as well... we just have yet to see this stuff in a production vehicle.
I know Honda has always taken pride in their small, efficient engines (and by efficient I mean lots of power with little displacement... not good on gas, though that's true too.) They've proven themselves there. I would probably take a Honda I4 or V6 over any naturally aspirated I4 or V6 from any other maker.

Of course, for anything crazy to really be worthwhile, they'd need a platform worthy of it. I could see a turbo 6 in the TL, and a V8 in the RL, but that's about it.

The first gen Legend had a boosted 2.0L (maybe a 2.5L) V6 in it.

The TL SH-AWD 6MT would CREAM the shit out of anything in the category if it were boosted. It is already very nearly as fast as the B8 S4 (the new one) up to 100+MPH, and runs in the mid-high 13's in the low 100 MPH bracket stock. Add another 50HP and 50-100 lb-ft and that thing would tear it up.

But yes, sadly, Honda's problem right now is less about engines and more abotu platforms to put them in. The Accord can't even handle the Coupe 6MT V6 engine to be honest.

[owequitit]

aperantly that motor is being used on accord and zdx. but this other one looks like a v8 ahahaha.
all they need to give us now is lighter and stiffer chasis.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ur-racers.html

this article is from www.autoguide.com

That basic V6 is in every single Honda V6 product, including their outboard engines.

[skilzz]

even the base j32a1 in the TL pulls up to 150mph easily on a nice stretch of road. cant imagine what this thing whould do