Please....

[crusto2k3]

here is a really long read about this subject on another forum i frequent

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=190824

[Macaqueistrong]

I've been interested in women since I was about 5 years old (I remember checking out the preschool classroom for cute girls... )

Not only is deeve heterosexual, but also a pervert!

I honestly don't remember being 5 at all.....

[19dabeast85]

Every time I see a female black lab on the street my penis grows and points her way, was I born this way?



EDIT: NOT comparing animals to human but just because you're born with a feeling, does that make it right? Just posing questions.

[Ralphie]

you must learn how to read. i never said i had anything against them. im saying THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE PICKED ON, MOCKED, OR WHATEVER. regardless of being born straight or not. if they were born ***, fine then they should be used to it by now. If they just became ***, then they knew what they were getting themselves into. You sir, are the narrow minded fuck. Other people get picked on for countless things. Being slow, retarded, just being plain different is any excuse for anyone to make a mockery of. Just because they were homsexual, doesnt give them a reason to kill themselves just because they were made fun of or bullied. Once again, cry me a fucking river. I'll cry a river for the hungry kids in 3rd world countries. I'll cry a river for the same countries who governments are so corrupt that they just dont give a damn. I'll cry a river for the true bum sleeping under the underpass of a highway. Shoot, I'll cry you a bloody river for those lads who illegally enter the country and get their ass beat by border patrol or farmers (although wrong on both sides, its still something you shouldnt do). But I WILL NOT cry a fucking river for some emo kid who killed themselves for no real got damn reason. So stop thinking your OPINION if fact. Its that an opinion just like mine and anyone else's...got damn hypocrite

You clearly missed the entire point of my rant.

Again, im not saying that you should feel more sympathy for them or their families because they were homosexual, im saying that you should feel sympathy because young kids were picked on and felt there was no way out except to take their own life.

If that sentiment alone doesn't bother you then i don't know what to say.

Ill admit it bothers me that people think it is a choice and your post enraged me but whatever, it is your opinion and your way of thinking and only YOU have to live with it, not me.

There were some points in your post id like to analyze however.

if they were born ***, fine then they should be used to it by now.

So if a heterosexual kid was picked on for being a redhead with freckles from the time he was 6 until he was 14 and then goes onto kill himself, we should not be affected or mourn for him because he should be use to it by now?

What kind of mentality is that? Somewhere, someplace, a mother and father have lost their child. Im not sure if you have children(and i hope you don't) but hopefully you come around when you do(but maybe Darwinism will prevent you from having kids who knows)

Just because they were homsexual, doesnt give them a reason to kill themselves just because they were made fun of or bullied

I agree no one should take their own life but again why the need to separate them because of their sexuality?

How about....Because they were bullied doesn't give them the right to kill themselves.

And of course there are tons of kids picked on every day for a range of reasons but unfortunately these kids did not have the support structure they should have had to prevent tragedies like this one....and to me that is the real tragedy.

[Ralphie]

Every time I see a female black lab on the street my penis grows and points her way, was I born this way?



EDIT: NOT comparing animals to human but just because you're born with a feeling, does that make it right? Just posing questions.

The point of this thread was not about sexual preference or any discussion hereafter....it was about awareness for the recent suicides in the news and preventing it from happening again.

[19dabeast85]

The point of this thread was not about sexual preference or any discussion hereafter....it was about awareness for the recent suicides in the news and preventing it from happening again.

True but somebody brought up the whole choice/not a choice issue and I wanted to post an idea.

The fact that these kids committed suicide is sad, very unfortunate, and utterly a waste of precious human life, IMO. It irritates me that parents and teachers are not instilling in children the value of life and to appreciate the value of others' lives. There's your real issue.

[Law Grandeur]

You clearly missed the entire point of my rant.

Again, im not saying that you should feel more sympathy for them or their families because they were homosexual, im saying that you should feel sympathy because young kids were picked on and felt there was no way out except to take their own life.

If that sentiment alone doesn't bother you then i don't know what to say.

Ill admit it bothers me that people think it is a choice and your post enraged me but whatever, it is your opinion and your way of thinking and only YOU have to live with it, not me.

There were some points in your post id like to analyze however.



So if a heterosexual kid was picked on for being a redhead with freckles from the time he was 6 until he was 14 and then goes onto kill himself, we should not be affected or mourn for him because he should be use to it by now?

What kind of mentality is that? Somewhere, someplace, a mother and father have lost their child. Im not sure if you have children(and i hope you don't) but hopefully you come around when you do(but maybe Darwinism will prevent you from having kids who knows)



I agree no one should take their own life but again why the need to separate them because of their sexuality?

How about....Because they were bullied doesn't give them the right to kill themselves.

And of course there are tons of kids picked on every day for a range of reasons but unfortunately these kids did not have the support structure they should have had to prevent tragedies like this one....and to me that is the real tragedy.

Once again the person should be proud of who or what they are. You seem to miss that point I'm saying. It doesnt matter what race, color, or sexuality they are..they should be damn proud of themselves and should thrive for better things. not take the retarded way out and kill themselves. I still fail to see how being bullied is a reason to take your own life. They clearly didnt care for themselves enough. And they clearly didnt notice others cared as well. So I will not have any sympathy for some tards who decided to end themselves for no real reason. Yes some place some mother and father lost their kid.....but they lost their child to their own child. No one killed the person. They committed suicide. Take the abuse and move on. Look it all the crap Middle eastern peeps have had to take since 911....shoot how about Jewish people? They still get made fun of till this day. Why dont you sympathize for my mother? Her old man just died a week ago. Oh wait he didnt commit suicide due to being bullied so its not important enough. People die every day. Its a fact of life. I'd sooner cry for a fireman who gave his/her life to save a baby then some emo kid who committed suicide because they were picked on. You are just fixated on the fact that they were *** and were treated poorly because they were ***. EVERYONE gets treated poorly. No reason to kill yourself. That is what everyone on here is trying to say.

Best way to prevent suicide....you can't. Once a person has made a decision its almost impossible to change. Once the thought of suicide is embedded in the mind, it doesnt leave. If they did it, they thought about it before. If they didn't mention it to anyone....who can help them? If they did....why would they give up? You can tell young kids not to kill themselves and just never give up. You can tell kids to stop picking on others. But words are just words. It wont ever stop. Its human nature. Its a losing battle and it wont ever stop. My school stopped fights seconds after they started. They told kids to talk to counselors or teachers if they felt threatened by anyone or needed guidance in any way. The majority of schools indeed do what they are supposed to do. But of course, not all schools are the same. Could any other student have stepped in to help the poors lads? Yes. Could they have defended them? Yes. Did they? NO. Everyone is to blame in this. There is so many ways around this. So many ways to help the problem. So I will continue to have no sympathy whatsoever for those kids. If they didnt care enough for their lives...why should I?

[joekt]

well put

[deevergote]

Every time I see a female black lab on the street my penis grows and points her way, was I born this way?



EDIT: NOT comparing animals to human but just because you're born with a feeling, does that make it right? Just posing questions.

I skipped over most replies between my last one and this, and this and the last reply... but I wanted to respond to this.

As far as reproduction goes, which is the ultimate goal of sexual activity, homosexuality is "wrong". It is ineffective, because two beings of the same sex cannot reproduce (there are ways, but I'm talking about the traditional way... bumping uglies.)
However, that would make "safe sex" just as wrong. If you're wearing a condom while having sexual intercourse, you are defeating the purpose of the act. You are making it ineffective. That is no less "wrong", technically.

However, homosexuality isn't limited only to sex. Personally, women mean more to me that just a warm, wet spot to dock my pocket rocket. I am attracted to women on an emotional level just as much as I am on a sexual level. I want a female companion, not just a female sex partner.
I doubt any homosexual man is going to point to a woman and say "I could love her like a wife, other than the having sex part." No, just as heterosexual people desire an emotional connection with a member of the opposite sex, homosexual people desire that emotional connection with the same sex. That emotional connection is generally accepted as "love". And I don't believe the concept of love itself is rejected by any "proper" society or religion. (I say "proper" because there are some rather deviant and occult societies and religions that DO shun love...)

Human beings can "love" each other on the same level. They have the ability to connect emotionally, intellectually, physically, and socially. Human beings and animals do not share that parallel connection. Unlike homosexual love/sex, which ONLY lacks the reproductive aspect of the act, an animal and a human cannot share ANY of the bonds necessary to define a proper relationship.

[BadgerType]

Personally, women mean more to me that just a warm, wet spot to dock my pocket rocket.

sig worthy

[crusto2k3]

ya'll talk all thia shit, but there is peple like me that want to blow their heads off everyday i have to wake up. I have plan on putting a pillowcase over my head to minimize the mess for whoever is forced to clean it up.

[deevergote]

And you're asking for information about buying a gun?

Life is hard. Life happens. It doesn't matter who's life is harder than yours. You can't compare, because only YOUR life matters in the end.

But if you end it, you don't get to go around again. That's it. Game over.
If other people are making your life miserable, walk away. Leave. Go away from them.
If your job is making your life miserable... walk away from that too.
If you have no money, broken posessions, etc... go somewhere that you don't need such things.

If suicide seems like the only answer, then you haven't thought hard enough about it. It's VERY easy to work yourself into a frenzy, and not focus clearly. If you're seriously considering it, TALK TO SOMEONE. A relative, trusted friend, religious figure, or best of all, a professional counselor. You have nothing to lose by talking to someone. You have everything to lose by taking your own life. Killing yourself doesn't make anything better. It just makes everything stop. If you're not religious, then you can expect to just cease to exist. If you ARE religious, then you can expect to go to wherever evil people are punished in your faith... because NO religion accepts suicide.



I've felt it. Believe me, I've felt it.
I was an outcast as a child, locked in with the same group of 25 cruel children for 8 years. I lived in a rough area, where the only way to entertain myself was to either play in solitude, or fight for fun. Eventually, loneliness got the best of me and I chose unpleasant interaction over NO interaction. I had 0 luck with girls until the middle of highschool. My grandmother, who was as much of a parent to me as my mom and dad, died when I was 12. She was my dad's mother. My mom made me tell my dad that his mother had passed away. My father was an alcoholic, which caused my parents to divorce shortly after my grandmother died. At the age of 20, I found my father dead. Lying face down in his bed. He was not only my father, but my best friend. We had a bitter argument the night before. 3 weeks later, I lost my grandfather, who was also like a parent. One year later, my other grandmother followed. I got married only to learn that my wife was cheating on me... not just while we were married, or while we were engaged, but even before that! I had to deal with losing everything I had based my life plans on in an instant... and have all my good memories tainted once the lie was revealed. Now, I'm 30 years old, divorced, gray-haired, and I work 80-120 hours a week most of the time.


There's my life. Easy? Hell no. That's just a quick overview. That's not what's in my head every day. Those are merely the facts... not the overwhelming emotions that accompany them.
Is it over? Certainly not. My mom will soon be unable to breathe, and it will be on me to deny life support, at her request. That's what I have to look forward to.

Is my life harder than anyone else's? I can't say. I can't compare. My hardships cannot be compared to anyone else's hardships. We all experience life in our own way. We all deal with it in our own way.

But the thought of killing myself makes me EXTREMELY angry. I've had some shitty things happen in my life, but honestly... there are some pretty good ones, too. Yesterday, I got to see an awesome sunset in the fall-colored hills of NJ... turning into a purple sky with a nearly full moon. Then I hung out with some cute girls that are way too young for me, and I'm trying to start a band with one. Just now, I took a dump, and it was liberating.
Stupid, yes... but I'll never get to experience those simple pleasures ever again if I end my own life. I'll never again get to eat a great meal, hear my favorite song, fall in love, or drive my car.

Suicide is a hasty, stupid decision. If anyone is seriously considering it, you should have enough sense to step back and ask for help... don't hint... flat out say "FUCKING HELP ME!!!" and don't stop asking until someone does it.

[turbomaxx]

I think there is a lot of ignorance here from both sides of the argument. Also, ****.

How does ANY one know if homosexuality is a choice or not?
Phempa, I'm sorry bud, I usually agree with you, but I have to disagree here... No lives were TAKEN in my opinion... They were wasted... I just don't believe that any one took these kids life but themselves. If they hadn't decided to commit suicide, they'd still be here... Not trying to start shit with anyone, I'm really not. Just how I feel.

NONE THE LESS...
Bullying IS wrong, and MUST be stopped. The sad fact of it is, regardless of age, gender, preference, height, ethnicity or anything else, bullying happens to most if not all people... Everyone here has probably been bullied... Yet we are all here. I just believe that means we are stronger people, smarter people. Not better because of our differences (Being straight vs. homosexual, or tall vs. short, or skinny vs. fat) but because of our will to exist.

Edit: In before the Lock is **** out now???

[deevergote]

Yeah, that was just irritating... I don't need 10 posts telling me that I'm going to lock a thread (especially when I've already actively participated in the discussion!) so I ****d it out.


But I do agree... suicide is a choice. Homosexuality is not a choice.
I don't feel that their lives were taken, but they were definitely driven to hate themselves, and that's not fair. However, I HATE seeing that such a fuss is made over JUST homosexual kids ending their own lives due to bullying.

I was bullied as a kid, for a time, anyway. Sure, I was miserable. I never considered killing myself... but does it make the bullying any less hurtful if it wasn't due to my sexual preference?
Focusing on the fact that they're "different" is harmful. That's what resulted in them being bullied in the first place!

[cp[mike]]

i dont get why bullying+gáy is a big deal, when bullying seems to go unnoticed otherwise, yet is still a rampant problem with kids of all ages (suicides included), regardless of who or what they like.