With all the talk about 5lug conversions, i figured id finally get this up, just to have it out there. if you know what youre doing you can figure it out pretty easily, so youll just have to manage until we are able to get pics up.
BACKGROUND INFO:
why search down mixing and matching odyssey/lude/accord parts when finding a lude and grab the whole shebang works just as well? excalibur02 managed to get a 99 lude parts car, so viola, all the 5lug conversion parts we needed were there. including crossmembers and stuff, which lots of people think you need - you *dont*
CREDIT:
the original idea for this came from mayberry's car, he bought his car with the front 5 lug using prelude parts... but we didnt know exactly how it was set up. THEN excalibur02 wanted to do his, so i helped him out, and what you see below is the result. all pics (when they get posted) are of excalibur02's car.
NOTES ABOUT THIS CONVERSION:
* * READ THE ENTIRE THREAD FOR MORE DETAILED INFO * *
- use non-SH parts! the knuckles from a lude SH will not fit.
- the way the upper control arm sits with the new knuckle, this mod will give you POSITIVE camber at stock height. if your car is lowered, it will most likely push it out and return your camber to just about STOCK without the need to use a camber kit in the front. if you have a camber kit in there now, youll need to remove it, or readjust it!!! with mauri's car, putting stock upper control arm anchors back in was perfect enough to have his camber go just about dead on after this conversion.
*****PARTS NEEDED:*****
- front knuckles (with bearings and hubs still in em) from 97-01 prelude
- rear hubs and bearings from 97-01 prelude
- pair of front rotors for 97-01 prelude
- pair of rear rotors for 97-01 integra type R
- recommended new pads all around, match them to the calipers you use (front = prelude and rear = accord)
- driver side axle from a 5th gen accord (correct tranny type matters)
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FOR THE FRONT:
Basically, just pop the lower ball joint, upper ball joint, and tie rod. remove everything connecting the knuckle to the car.
when directly reinstalling the prelude knuckle in place of the accord one:
- The accord upper control arm ball joint fits into the lude knuckle. or you can swap over to lude upper control arms if they are newer, both work
- important: stock tie rods mount under the accord knuckle. they mount OVER the prelude knuckle. SO: remove both tie rods and reinstall them on the opposite side, facing the other direction. so the LEFT side tie rod which normally faced up should be on the RIGHT side facing down. do for both sides. if your tie rods are bad, now would be the time to replace them.
- swap in the 5th gen accord driver side axle - the accord one is too short, and the prelude one is too long. 5gen one works perfectly. your stock PASSENGER side axle is fine, leave that one alone.
- LOWER BALL JOINT - the lude uses a larger ball joint with a 19mm nut, the accord uses smaller with a 17mm. SO youll need to either find a way to swap the accord lower ball joint into the lude knuckle, or if you were mauricio, use a grinder and expand out the hole of the lower control arm to accomodate the larger ball joint. there is a reamer tool available designed with the proper taper for balljoint studs, for this very situation: Ball Joint Reamer (thanks 90accords)
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FOR THE REAR
BustedLX made the official rear 5lug conversion thread, follow that: http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=16241
mauricio has an LX with rear drums, so after swapping to rear discs, he still doesnt have ABS so the excitor rings and sensors dont matter for him. if you have an EX with ABS/rear discs youll need to follow busted's guide (NOT THIS ONE) and do a little more work. but basically the same thing.
for you LX's who converted to rear disc who are doing the 5lgu conversion:
Take off the 32mm nut holding the stock 4lug bearing/hub onto your car. do the same for the prelude bearings/hubs. youll notice the lude and accord ones are similar enough to just slide the new 5lug prelude bearing and hub back onto the car and put the PRELUDE nut back on.
the ONLY special thing you need is a set of rear rotors for a 97-01 ITR.
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Thats all I can think of right now, pictures will come within the next few weeks.
any questions feel free to ask, me and mauricio will probably be able to answer any questions.
BACKGROUND INFO:
why search down mixing and matching odyssey/lude/accord parts when finding a lude and grab the whole shebang works just as well? excalibur02 managed to get a 99 lude parts car, so viola, all the 5lug conversion parts we needed were there. including crossmembers and stuff, which lots of people think you need - you *dont*
CREDIT:
the original idea for this came from mayberry's car, he bought his car with the front 5 lug using prelude parts... but we didnt know exactly how it was set up. THEN excalibur02 wanted to do his, so i helped him out, and what you see below is the result. all pics (when they get posted) are of excalibur02's car.
NOTES ABOUT THIS CONVERSION:
* * READ THE ENTIRE THREAD FOR MORE DETAILED INFO * *
- use non-SH parts! the knuckles from a lude SH will not fit.
- the way the upper control arm sits with the new knuckle, this mod will give you POSITIVE camber at stock height. if your car is lowered, it will most likely push it out and return your camber to just about STOCK without the need to use a camber kit in the front. if you have a camber kit in there now, youll need to remove it, or readjust it!!! with mauri's car, putting stock upper control arm anchors back in was perfect enough to have his camber go just about dead on after this conversion.
*****PARTS NEEDED:*****
- front knuckles (with bearings and hubs still in em) from 97-01 prelude
- rear hubs and bearings from 97-01 prelude
- pair of front rotors for 97-01 prelude
- pair of rear rotors for 97-01 integra type R
- recommended new pads all around, match them to the calipers you use (front = prelude and rear = accord)
- driver side axle from a 5th gen accord (correct tranny type matters)
---------------------------------------------
FOR THE FRONT:
Basically, just pop the lower ball joint, upper ball joint, and tie rod. remove everything connecting the knuckle to the car.
when directly reinstalling the prelude knuckle in place of the accord one:
- The accord upper control arm ball joint fits into the lude knuckle. or you can swap over to lude upper control arms if they are newer, both work
- important: stock tie rods mount under the accord knuckle. they mount OVER the prelude knuckle. SO: remove both tie rods and reinstall them on the opposite side, facing the other direction. so the LEFT side tie rod which normally faced up should be on the RIGHT side facing down. do for both sides. if your tie rods are bad, now would be the time to replace them.
- swap in the 5th gen accord driver side axle - the accord one is too short, and the prelude one is too long. 5gen one works perfectly. your stock PASSENGER side axle is fine, leave that one alone.
- LOWER BALL JOINT - the lude uses a larger ball joint with a 19mm nut, the accord uses smaller with a 17mm. SO youll need to either find a way to swap the accord lower ball joint into the lude knuckle, or if you were mauricio, use a grinder and expand out the hole of the lower control arm to accomodate the larger ball joint. there is a reamer tool available designed with the proper taper for balljoint studs, for this very situation: Ball Joint Reamer (thanks 90accords)
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FOR THE REAR
BustedLX made the official rear 5lug conversion thread, follow that: http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=16241
mauricio has an LX with rear drums, so after swapping to rear discs, he still doesnt have ABS so the excitor rings and sensors dont matter for him. if you have an EX with ABS/rear discs youll need to follow busted's guide (NOT THIS ONE) and do a little more work. but basically the same thing.
for you LX's who converted to rear disc who are doing the 5lgu conversion:
Take off the 32mm nut holding the stock 4lug bearing/hub onto your car. do the same for the prelude bearings/hubs. youll notice the lude and accord ones are similar enough to just slide the new 5lug prelude bearing and hub back onto the car and put the PRELUDE nut back on.
the ONLY special thing you need is a set of rear rotors for a 97-01 ITR.
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Thats all I can think of right now, pictures will come within the next few weeks.
any questions feel free to ask, me and mauricio will probably be able to answer any questions.
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