H22 not starting

[T3aM 83rD]

I have a problem with my 99 prelude, hopefully you guys could help because you guys know about the H22.

Basically last night while driving my car shut off on me on the highway. The car had shut off on the highway, but before it shut off it kind bogged for about 1 min, like it had no power, I down shifted and tryed to floor it but it was barely barely picking up any power. Then the car shut off and I able to roll onto the shoulder.

I checked the fuel pump and it was not getting power, the wire for the fuel pump (in the trunk) is not getting power, but the with the key in the on position but fuel pump fuses are getting juice. So I cut the actual fuel pump wire ( in the trunk) and ran a jumper wire and gave it power, the pump turned on but still the car won't start.

Next I pulled out the main relay and and replaced it, the fuel pump turned on like normal but the car is still not turning on.

The car cranks perfectly. While cranking is giving a kind of noise like bup bup bup, Im getting spark, and fuel. The distributer is turning, but the car is not starting.

I checked all my fuses.

Any help or suggestions would be helpful

[bruno8747]

You check for spark? Dizzy might be spinning but it may not be giving you enough spark.

Anything else abnormal that happened when it shut off?

[NAiL05]

Check your grounds?

[adam2562]

check all ur hoses !

[T3aM 83rD]

As far as maintenance, I replaced the plugs, wires, and rotor, and cap about 1000 miles ago, so I know they are in good condition.

My dad is a mechanic, and he said that we are getting excellent spark, so I just went with that.

Correct me If I am wrong, THe starter is working because the car is cranking, the distributer is working because I am getting spark, when I pulled out a spark plug I smelt gas on the tip, and I got the fuel pump to turn on so I know Im getting gas.

The thing that doesnt sound normal is the BUP BUP BUP sound it is giving while cranking.

Which grounds should I be looking at?

I'll check my hoses when I go outside.

Any other help or suggestions?

[T3aM 83rD]

If my ignition switch was bad, would the car still crank?

[NAiL05]

Yea it would. I know accords/tl (98-02) had a recall in the ignition switch. You can check for tsb. But yea your car would still crank but sometimes it will start then when you drive it dies off and takes forever to crank again. As were the symptoms to my buddies tl. Also if you look at the key it will go past the marks whre you turn it I noticed that too when working on his car. Can you get a vid clip of this bup bup bup sound you mention?

[arcadiacb7]

my guess would be timing belt but your getting spark. When you turn the key on does the CEL come on for 2 seconds and go off or does it stay off or on. If it doesn't come on at all then your ecu is bad or not getting power. If it stays on then try reading for some codes.

never mind on the timing belt i just re-read and saw that the dizzy is turning. You are probably due for a belt if its never been changed so maybe your timing jumped. That will still give you spark and cause the bub bub bub sound you spoke of. But with your whole fuel pump issue, i'd look into the ecu.

[BuckChoklit]

Arent the H22 interference engines though? If the timing belt would've went he would have heard some nasty tapping noises, but ya never know. I'd suggest taking your timing belt cover off and checking that out.

[preludeman92]

1 of 2 things are the most common probelms on 5th gen preludes.
1) The ignition switch recall did affect most of the preludes. They tend to have these symtoms
2) The auto tensioner is junk and you timing belt slipped. However the fuel pump problems don't point to this. They point to option 1.

Call a dealer and see if your car has had the warranty fix yet. The only thing they need is the VIN to tell you that.

[T3aM 83rD]

Alight guys I got it, I hope

The ignition switch was not the problem, sources tell me that if it was the ignition switch, the car would not crank. Also I signed up on some honda owners link thing and entered my VIN and it showed that my igition switch was replaced.

I opened the valve cover and inspected the timing belt, it seemed fine, there wasnt any teeth missing, but I did see that my timing was all out of order, the timing mark on the gear was not lined up with the one on the flywheel, so apparetly somehow the car jumped timing. So i pulled off the belt, adjusted the cams to line up with the flywheel, but I couldnt get the timing belt back on. Ill probably work on it today.

So now the situation is looking like this, get the timing belt on and timing aligned, crank it and hope that it starts. Then the next problem would be to see if I bent any valves. I hope i didnt cause that gonna cost a good amount of money.

Does anyone know anywhere that sells H22 heads, just incase?

Now i figure that if I did bend a valve, should I upgrade? But i dont know much about head work. The componets that comes up whenever Im searching around are Valves, valve springs, retainers, valve seals, then cams, also port and polish. Any insight would be helpful.

[bruno8747]

Alight guys I got it, I hope

The ignition switch was not the problem, sources tell me that if it was the ignition switch, the car would not crank. Also I signed up on some honda owners link thing and entered my VIN and it showed that my igition switch was replaced.

I opened the valve cover and inspected the timing belt, it seemed fine, there wasnt any teeth missing, but I did see that my timing was all out of order, the timing mark on the gear was not lined up with the one on the flywheel, so apparetly somehow the car jumped timing. So i pulled off the belt, adjusted the cams to line up with the flywheel, but I couldnt get the timing belt back on. Ill probably work on it today.

So now the situation is looking like this, get the timing belt on and timing aligned, crank it and hope that it starts. Then the next problem would be to see if I bent any valves. I hope i didnt cause that gonna cost a good amount of money.

Does anyone know anywhere that sells H22 heads, just incase?

Now i figure that if I did bend a valve, should I upgrade? But i dont know much about head work. The componets that comes up whenever Im searching around are Valves, valve springs, retainers, valve seals, then cams, also port and polish. Any insight would be helpful.

If you skipped tooth's on the timing belt, means that the auto tentioner is basically gone.

Convert it to manual tentioner setup. Use F22A or H23 parts.

IF you have bent valves then you can get replacements. The h22 has alot of valve options. Aswell as head packages.

If you have bent valves I would get a set of stainless steel valves.

[T3aM 83rD]

Thanks, I have to do some research about that auto to manual tensioner.
Where would I be able to find some head packages for the H22, do you know anyplace local?

[bruno8747]

Thanks, I have to do some research about that auto to manual tensioner.
Where would I be able to find some head packages for the H22, do you know anyplace local?

Local around here would either be claws performance, rpm nyc, full throttle, midnight auto, nrg tech, and a few others but you WILL get raped on the price. They are listed based on distance from where you are.

[T3aM 83rD]

I got a little bit of work done yesterday, from what I saw, the auto tentioner was not the problem, the balancer belt (I think thats what its called) shreded and tore into pieces and one piece got stuck between the timing belt and the crank pulley causing the belt to slip.

I put something back together and cranked the car and it started right up. It was only for a couple of seconds though cause I didnt put the valve cover back on. My dad said that it doesnt sound like I have any bent valves.

I think there are two sensors down there, do you guys know the name of them? I think it might be wise to replace them as im going to change the timing belt, water pump, and that balancer belt.