Ugg - brake help

[Dhorn33]

I need some input on the brakes I am working on for my 93 Accord EX sedan. I was getting a shutter and shaking steering wheel when braking hard so I decided to replace my front rotors. I read the DIY's on it and decided to go the route of what seemed like the "proper" way - removing the entire hub, bearing and rotor assembly from the knuckle. Was able to get the driver's side off using a 10mm 12 pt socket over the stock bolt and pounding on the socket (and an old adapter) with a small sledge hammer to break it loose and seperate it from the knuckle. The bearing on this side has some play so I plan to replace it.

Problem #1 - the hub needs to be seperated from the bearing assembly. Is there a DIY way to do this or do I need to find a shop? If a shop - what kind of a shop does this without charging me through the nose? (read on on why this part is important!)

Problem #2 - Once the hub is seperated from the bearing - can I just use my large bench vice to press in the new one or does it require an actual press?

Problem #3 - I cannot get the hub assembly seperated from the knuckle on the passenger side! I used the same technique as the driver's side without success. I also tried to use an air hammer and sprayed it all down with penetrating oil and I cannot get it to move. I finally just took the knuckly off the car so now I am open to suggestions for getting it seperated. Any ideas or do I need to find a shop - again - one that won't charge me a ton!

I brought the knuckle and the hub to a shop over lunch today and the guy wanted to charge me 1 hour - $90 to do it. I told him he was nuts and left. If you have paid somebody to do this stuff what did it cost you?

[oranger]

Ummm....sorry kid suck it up and pay. Personally I have access to a 6 ton press, so this stuff isn't an issue for me. But if you aren't as fortunate as myself, you might try not being such a jackass to the guy at the shop and fork over 90. You could find someone to do a hack job for maybe 50 but he'll probably eff it up and hand it back to you SOL and you'll be buying a used one. Don't be such a dink to people at shop, I work in one and can't stand crapheads like you. Be nice...90's good considering he's doing your dumb ass a favor.

[Dhorn33]

Ummm....sorry kid suck it up and pay. Personally I have access to a 6 ton press, so this stuff isn't an issue for me. But if you aren't as fortunate as myself, you might try not being such a jackass to the guy at the shop and fork over 90. You could find someone to do a hack job for maybe 50 but he'll probably eff it up and hand it back to you SOL and you'll be buying a used one. Don't be such a dink to people at shop, I work in one and can't stand crapheads like you. Be nice...90's good considering he's doing your dumb ass a favor.

Excuse my rant but the comment above is a little ridiculous since I am not some 16 year old kid with my first car that Mommy and Daddy bought for me. I am a 32 year old with a family. I have owned more than 30 cars and trucks to date with most of them have been fixed and maintained in my own garage since I am a self admitted cheap ass "craphead" as you put it.

Maybe I am not in the right place since I am not into a lot of what seems to be the focus of most of the "kids" on here. I merely come here for tips and tricks on doing normal repairs to my "beater commuter car" to try to save a few bucks. I prefer to spend my discretionary income on my Jeep, my diesel pickup truck, my house or my family. Call me crazy.

The guy at the shop told me he would charge me 1/2 hour of labor to do the job. I was already reluctant since I knew that if he used a press it would take him no more than 10 minutes. He then walked into the shop - stuck my shit in a bench vise (there was no press anywhere in the shop) and then told another guy to go in and write up a ticket for me. The guy started entering a bunch of info in the computer and when I asked him how he was going to finish the order when he had not finished yet and therefor had no idea how long it was going to take - told me he was charging me a full hour. Nice. I told him to just forget it and that I thought that was a complete rippoff. The mechanic basically stormed out with my stuff and wished me luck.

Had the "stand up" mechanic actually been using a press - and not stuck my shit in his bench vise that was smaller than the one that I have in my own garage - then maybe I would have been a little less aprehensive about paying him for doing it. But he was going to attempt to do it the exact same way that I was - with no different tools and no press anywhere in the shop. He also told me there was no reason for me to press the hub out of the bearing because as far as he knew they came together - again a load of crap. I don't consider trying to charge me a full hours worth of labor on something that he told me 5 minutes earlier he would charge me a half hour on and probably only take him 10-15 minutes at the most - I was not a happy camper and not overly enthusiastic to give him my hard earned money. Again - call me crazy.

I guess I will just give it another go this weekend and get it done. Anyone else have any suggestions for a shade tree mechanic on a budget?

[bruno8747]

Ummm....sorry kid suck it up and pay. Personally I have access to a 6 ton press, so this stuff isn't an issue for me. But if you aren't as fortunate as myself, you might try not being such a jackass to the guy at the shop and fork over 90. You could find someone to do a hack job for maybe 50 but he'll probably eff it up and hand it back to you SOL and you'll be buying a used one. Don't be such a dink to people at shop, I work in one and can't stand crapheads like you. Be nice...90's good considering he's doing your dumb ass a favor.

Just because you work in a shop dosen't mean you are better than any one of us.

Do you have any idea how many times a shop fucks up? I do, I know.

Why would you throw money away if you know you can do it yourself? Why let someone else do the samething you can do with the same tools?

And to the OP, you should be able to clamp the hub in the vise and pry the bearing out. Since you are changing it anyway, heat it up and try knocking it off.

[SN2BH22CB7]

Excuse my rant but the comment above is a little ridiculous since I am not some 16 year old kid with my first car that Mommy and Daddy bought for me. I am a 32 year old with a family. I have owned more than 30 cars and trucks to date with most of them have been fixed and maintained in my own garage since I am a self admitted cheap ass "craphead" as you put it.

Maybe I am not in the right place since I am not into a lot of what seems to be the focus of most of the "kids" on here. I merely come here for tips and tricks on doing normal repairs to my "beater commuter car" to try to save a few bucks. I prefer to spend my discretionary income on my Jeep, my diesel pickup truck, my house or my family. Call me crazy.

The guy at the shop told me he would charge me 1/2 hour of labor to do the job. I was already reluctant since I knew that if he used a press it would take him no more than 10 minutes. He then walked into the shop - stuck my shit in a bench vise (there was no press anywhere in the shop) and then told another guy to go in and write up a ticket for me. The guy started entering a bunch of info in the computer and when I asked him how he was going to finish the order when he had not finished yet and therefor had no idea how long it was going to take - told me he was charging me a full hour. Nice. I told him to just forget it and that I thought that was a complete rippoff. The mechanic basically stormed out with my stuff and wished me luck.

Had the "stand up" mechanic actually been using a press - and not stuck my shit in his bench vise that was smaller than the one that I have in my own garage - then maybe I would have been a little less aprehensive about paying him for doing it. But he was going to attempt to do it the exact same way that I was - with no different tools and no press anywhere in the shop. He also told me there was no reason for me to press the hub out of the bearing because as far as he knew they came together - again a load of crap. I don't consider trying to charge me a full hours worth of labor on something that he told me 5 minutes earlier he would charge me a half hour on and probably only take him 10-15 minutes at the most - I was not a happy camper and not overly enthusiastic to give him my hard earned money. Again - call me crazy.

I guess I will just give it another go this weekend and get it done. Anyone else have any suggestions for a shade tree mechanic on a budget?

theres a DIY somewhere on here mayne....Please excuse the person that commented on your thread...I APOLOGIZE!

Im 27 with a family too....I know where you're coming from.

heres some info you could use..and some parts listed you will NEED!

http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthre...ghlight=brakes

AND..heres one for the Rear brakes ..IF you have Rear discs...

http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthre...ghlight=brakes

[The G-Man]

Make friends with mechanics...

Luckily I did that fairly easily. Friend of mine's dad has been friends with this mechanic really close to me from childhood. He took me there and introduced me. Now I know the 2 guys that work there with him fairly well (they are just like a year older than me).

They have blasted axle nuts off for me, and pressed bearings out of hubs free of charge. I gave him $10 for it though because I felt like it. They also take care of my inspection too.

[SN2BH22CB7]

Ummm....sorry kid suck it up and pay. Personally I have access to a 6 ton press, so this stuff isn't an issue for me. But if you aren't as fortunate as myself, you might try not being such a jackass to the guy at the shop and fork over 90. You could find someone to do a hack job for maybe 50 but he'll probably eff it up and hand it back to you SOL and you'll be buying a used one. Don't be such a dink to people at shop, I work in one and can't stand crapheads like you. Be nice...90's good considering he's doing your dumb ass a favor.

not to stick my foot up your ass...BUT, you need to take a different approach to members here....how in the fuck you're gonna post up BS on this guy's issue...DHORN33 obviously posted like we all have on techincal errors with our CBs. HE DID ASK FOR A DIY..and all you manage to include was insult. He wanted to DO IT HIMSELF..to save some money...so READ threads carefully before you start to respond to it.

if you dont have anything CONSTRUCTIVE to add...keep your mouth shut..or tuck your fingers in your asscrack.

I hate people who belittle people for no fucking reason..or because they THINK they know it all

[SN2BH22CB7]

Just because you work in a shop dosen't mean you are better than any one of us.

Do you have any idea how many times a shop fucks up? I do, I know.

Why would you throw money away if you know you can do it yourself? Why let someone else do the samething you can do with the same tools?

And to the OP, you should be able to clamp the hub in the vise and pry the bearing out. Since you are changing it anyway, heat it up and try knocking it off.

thats a start!

[oranger]

Excuse my rant but the comment above is a little ridiculous since I am not some 16 year old kid with my first car that Mommy and Daddy bought for me. I am a 32 year old with a family. I have owned more than 30 cars and trucks to date with most of them have been fixed and maintained in my own garage since I am a self admitted cheap ass "craphead" as you put it.

Maybe I am not in the right place since I am not into a lot of what seems to be the focus of most of the "kids" on here. I merely come here for tips and tricks on doing normal repairs to my "beater commuter car" to try to save a few bucks. I prefer to spend my discretionary income on my Jeep, my diesel pickup truck, my house or my family. Call me crazy.

The guy at the shop told me he would charge me 1/2 hour of labor to do the job. I was already reluctant since I knew that if he used a press it would take him no more than 10 minutes. He then walked into the shop - stuck my shit in a bench vise (there was no press anywhere in the shop) and then told another guy to go in and write up a ticket for me. The guy started entering a bunch of info in the computer and when I asked him how he was going to finish the order when he had not finished yet and therefor had no idea how long it was going to take - told me he was charging me a full hour. Nice. I told him to just forget it and that I thought that was a complete rippoff. The mechanic basically stormed out with my stuff and wished me luck.

Had the "stand up" mechanic actually been using a press - and not stuck my shit in his bench vise that was smaller than the one that I have in my own garage - then maybe I would have been a little less aprehensive about paying him for doing it. But he was going to attempt to do it the exact same way that I was - with no different tools and no press anywhere in the shop. He also told me there was no reason for me to press the hub out of the bearing because as far as he knew they came together - again a load of crap. I don't consider trying to charge me a full hours worth of labor on something that he told me 5 minutes earlier he would charge me a half hour on and probably only take him 10-15 minutes at the most - I was not a happy camper and not overly enthusiastic to give him my hard earned money. Again - call me crazy.

I guess I will just give it another go this weekend and get it done. Anyone else have any suggestions for a shade tree mechanic on a budget?

What you don't realise is that hes done that a hundred times and made mistakes and you are being charged for his experience in the area, not just the labor. No one understands this, it takes time to learn all this stuff, as you can see, you couldn't figure it out, your paying him because he knows what he's doing. 90 isn't a rip off. Sorry a bit angry, seeing as I just got yelled by a customer who was complaining about a similar thing. People don't understand all the time it takes to learn how to do this stuff and all the mistakes that people making learning it. You could pay to make those mistakes yourself, and buy a few knuckles from a junkyard, or you can pay the guy who already knows how and has already made those mistakes. I'll im saying is cut him some slack...He wasn't born knowing how to, he probably broke a few.

[Fake Thug]

What you don't realise is that hes done that a hundred times and made mistakes and you are being charged for his experience in the area, not just the labor. No one understands this, it takes time to learn all this stuff, as you can see, you couldn't figure it out, your paying him because he knows what he's doing. 90 isn't a rip off. Sorry a bit angry, seeing as I just got yelled by a customer who was complaining about a similar thing. People don't understand all the time it takes to learn how to do this stuff and all the mistakes that people making learning it. You could pay to make those mistakes yourself, and buy a few knuckles from a junkyard, or you can pay the guy who already knows how and has already made those mistakes. I'll im saying is cut him some slack...He wasn't born knowing how to, he probably broke a few.

Understand where you are coming from man. Sometimes knowledge costs money.

Op, if this is just a commuter car, why not check the junkyards and swap hubs if they are good? You have any pull it yourself places there?

[alb_accord]

well the things that i don't get is why would you separate the wheel bearing from the hub if you going to replace the rotors.

if you just want to replace the rotors just follow the diy here. there is a few done. but one of the diy is the best. it has all the pic included etc.

if you want to change the wheel bearing or hub then follow the diy here for the rotor removal. then take the wheel bearing and hub and the new part you want to change then take it to a shop.
if you do that no shop will change you more than $20 to press something out or in.

except the wheel bearing/hub everything else you should be able to do it with hand tools and a little patience.

[foamypirate]

I went to a local shop, they charged $30 to press out the old hub, and press the new bearing back on.

The next time I did it myself. Pain in the ass, hehe.

Just find a different shop. $90 is rediculous.

[BuckChoklit]

well the things that i don't get is why would you separate the wheel bearing from the hub if you going to replace the rotors.

if you just want to replace the rotors just follow the diy here. there is a few done. but one of the diy is the best. it has all the pic included etc.

if you want to change the wheel bearing or hub then follow the diy here for the rotor removal. then take the wheel bearing and hub and the new part you want to change then take it to a shop.
if you do that no shop will change you more than $20 to press something out or in.

except the wheel bearing/hub everything else you should be able to do it with hand tools and a little patience.

Did you even read the thread?

[Dhorn33]

Thanks for all the replies so far. I thought I would update so here goes...

I did get the hub/bearing/rotor off the other knuckle tonight. It came out pretty easily once I gave it a go.

I called around to several shops around and I am finding that everybody so far will charge me around 1 hour of labor - so $75-90. I do realize that mechanics are charging for their knowledge and expertise - but I have the thing off the car and it should be a pretty simple task. I have read some posts where people are cutting off the outside of the bearing with a cutoff wheel - but if I do that can I use a bench vice to press in the new one?

I have thought about grabbing some from a junk yard but the cheapest I have found them is $40 locally - the same price as a brand new bearing.

Anyway - I will try to get it done this week and post the solution. Thanks.

[Dhorn33]

A machine shop that I called today told me that I needed to machine the brand new rotors as part of the service on having them press the hubs out and in for my brand new bearings? Something about the center line or something? Why would I need to machine a brand new rotor? I do realize that a lot of people used to do this but I thought this was a thing of the past? Any input on this?