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    Lots of smoke(oil)?

    So i bought my Accord w/ a burnt valve and it ran fine just kind of stumbled cause of the low comp on the #4 cyl. So i removed the head and had valve seals, exhaust valve guides, and 3 exhaust valves replaced. Got the head back and bought a Felpro Gasket set replaced the Headgasket and majority of other seals. After start-up the car is pouring smoke out of the exhaust constantly. Checked the valve seals w/ a Borascope(sp?) and they dont appear to be leaking. Is it the headgasket not seating right, and if so how does the oil make it past the water jackets surrounding the cyl? IDK, just askin for help before guessing/replacing parts. Any help is greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
    Last edited by Myothercar; 02-26-2006, 05:14 PM.
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      #3
      what color is the smoke?
      white=coolant
      blue=oil
      black=to much fuel
      later.
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        #4
        The smoke is blue, it also smells like oil smoke. So Im sure its oil smoke.
        You can build your car :CHEAP: :FAST: or :RELIABLE: but you can only choose two options. What did you choose?
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          Anybody?
          You can build your car :CHEAP: :FAST: or :RELIABLE: but you can only choose two options. What did you choose?
          '90 Accord Lx and '89 Supra Turbo


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            #6
            If its buring oil like that it means your rings are worn. I have the same problem and I only get the blue smoke at high rpm's like 4 to 6 grand.

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              #7
              But before the head was taken off it didnt smoke at all. Could the rings have changed that quickly?

              Noxidea: Would you do that? Im at a loss and have no idea what it could be.
              Thanks.
              Last edited by Myothercar; 02-26-2006, 11:30 PM.
              You can build your car :CHEAP: :FAST: or :RELIABLE: but you can only choose two options. What did you choose?
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                Originally posted by Myothercar
                But before the head was taken off it didnt smoke at all. Could the rings have changed that quickly?

                Noxidea: Would you do that? Im at a loss and have no idea what it could be.
                Thanks.

                Did you do a valve clearance while you were at it?

                If its blue smoke, your rings are now getting chewed up by the sleeves, or vice versa.

                I would take off the head again and examine if your rings are seated properly.
                Also, dont use snythetic oil with your felpro...synthetic oil will eat those FelPro seals alive.

                Best of luck man.

                1990 Accord Lx F22a1(Daily) SOLD - will be missed
                1990 Prelude Si B21a1 (Fun car!)

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                  Accord13: Yup the valves were clearanced, and I know better than to use synthetic on this motor, learned that the hard way with another car. But my question is why are the rings not seated right if i did absoloutly no work to the bottom end? The side walls were in excellent condition when i took the head off. And i dont see how that would change. Please explain . Thanks
                  You can build your car :CHEAP: :FAST: or :RELIABLE: but you can only choose two options. What did you choose?
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                    #10
                    When I got my engine It didnt show any sign of oil burning. But when I pulled the head i had like 8 chipped and burnt valves so i replaced the head and doing that sent my compression back up. Only after doing that I saw that it was burning oil.

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                      Bruno: Cool, that would do it . But I wonder why the pressure would make it smoke constantly(from every cyl.) if the only one that was low on comp. was the #4 cyl?
                      Thanks
                      You can build your car :CHEAP: :FAST: or :RELIABLE: but you can only choose two options. What did you choose?
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                        #12
                        Remove The Valve Cover and Take a Close look at the Valve Stem Seals. They are an 'Umbrella Style' Seal with a Sealing Spring Around the top or the base of the seal. If the Valve Stem Seal is not seated on the Valve Guide correctly it can grab on the Valve Stem and come off it's seat. As the Valves go up & down so does the Seal and acts like a very efficient oil pump. Oil gets pumped down the valve guides into the combustion chamber where it gets burnt resulting in a shit load of Smoke.
                        To find out if it's ring related, Do a Wet & Dry Compression Test and Compare the Results.
                        -The Guru-

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                          i'v got a similar problem with a civic i'm working on @ school......it came in with blown headgasket smoking the place up, replaced it and decked the head, put it all back together and its still smoking like a motha anti-freeze, my shop teacher thinks the block might be warped or have a crack in it,( the chick got ripped off on the motor for sure) i think it might be the left over coolant in the exhaust system burning off, what do u guys think, its run fine started right up CEL tho,but its not running werid at all, runs fine....
                          Last edited by ehulst; 02-27-2006, 08:14 PM.
                          93 Accord- SOLD
                          94 Civic- F22a1 Swap, current DD

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                            F22: Thanks ill def. try that. This would explain the results im getting.

                            Ehulst: That sounds very similar, but i have no CEL Thank God . But good luck w/ your problem.

                            Thanks to all who have helped thus far. Ill try the Guru's examination when i get a break between school and work, and let ya'll know the results.
                            You can build your car :CHEAP: :FAST: or :RELIABLE: but you can only choose two options. What did you choose?
                            '90 Accord Lx and '89 Supra Turbo


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                              #15
                              Do an oil change.
                              See what comes out from the drain...if you get greyish nastier oil...then the headgasket is blown...

                              Or, check for coolant levels...that could be a good indicator as well...

                              Let's hope it's not the HG.


                              1990 Accord Lx F22a1(Daily) SOLD - will be missed
                              1990 Prelude Si B21a1 (Fun car!)

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