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**Maple50175** · 12-29-2003, 07:04 AM

Wish i could help a honda in india hah I love it Hows the weather? lmao Sorry cant help ya

**Trites** · 12-29-2003, 01:34 PM

change your distributor cap and rotor button. its probably the stock one from 1990. mine wouldnt start when it was cold, but after i finally got it running and the motor headed everything up, it started fine. my cap wasn't cracked, but after i changed it the car started fine. even if that isnt the cause, it couldnt hurt to change it.

**accordztech** · 12-29-2003, 01:51 PM

nice to see you come to the site man. remember me? eheeh

**xplode** · 12-31-2003, 04:24 PM

sounds like time for a tune up

.. change out the plugs and the distributor cap&rotor.. i would also change the oil and make sure you have the correct oil for the weather you have... i would also make sure that befor u start the car, tap the gas pedal a tiny bit to help get fuel thru the lines before u start =)..

**HondaFan81** · 12-31-2003, 06:37 PM

he already changed his oil & this wouldn't be the prob

dist cap, rotor, spark plugs, alternator, fuel filter clogged, fuel pump failing... all possibilities.

maybe if you could describe your problem in more detail, we could narrow it down.

Note to all: It does help to make up a spreadsheet on all the work done to your car, so you KNOW what's new and was replaced to help narrow down these probs.

**shaily_mdi** · 01-02-2004, 03:08 AM

Re: SOS Starting problems still 1990 EXi

Thanks for your suggestions but i tried starting it to no avail ( weather is still freezing here). and till it goes to the mechanic ,i cant get the plugs changed.

Anywaz its a CB4 F20A, automatic Exi

we tried adjusting the Distributor by varying its position but again it took good self and then died .

can some one sell me this models manual?

Some other things which i have noticed is
a) the Sport indicator LED blinks since i have bot the car.

I will get back to u with the results of the spark plug change as that looks to be the most common solution to this prob but tell me if ECU or ECAV ( electronic control Air valve or sth) cud also be the problem .
If yes how do i check them ( i dont have any special tools) and yes by the way pls let me know where and how to reach the ECU ( the online manual says that one can check the ECU self diagnostic LED)

**ACCLUDE91** · 01-03-2004, 05:10 AM

If you've done what everyone else has said and that didn't help, then the next most likely things are:

1. Fast Idle Valve needs adjustment
2. Coolant temp sensor(s) shorting to ground or going bad
3. MAP sensor acting up
4. TDC/CKP/CYP sensors acting up

I can almost guarantee it's one of those 4 things.

**Swifty1638** · 01-04-2004, 09:39 PM

I got a question. I notice that my car has a harder time starting in winter as well. I have a 92 ex coupe, incase this matters. I have jsut changed my oil, since it was needed (1,500 miles-i work at tires plus, so i get all the goodies) my car had a hard time starting this evening at work. I ran a full diognostic test on the electrical system..battery was good, idle with and without loads on, etc..my question is..don't most cars have that block heater with the car? I am talking about the little plug on the front of the car, that you can plug into a 12v outlet, that heats the block, and makes the tranny fluid, oil, etc..not freeze, also making the car easier to start. Am I jsut stupid, or do I not have one? I cannot find it at all for the life of me...

-A. Swift

P.S. I do have a new MSD ignition system going in within a few days..I hope this will help take care of the problem..

**shaily_mdi** · 01-05-2004, 01:01 AM

SOS: 1990 EXI honda starting problem in winters

Thanks a lot guys ...i am pretty much living with guidance from u on this machine..

Got the plugs changed and the disti cap cleaned but next early morning the starting problem persisted but eventually it started.

secondly it has returned a very bad average ( 5 km /litre) also

Now if further one of those four sensors are the culprits can u let me know how to go about troubleshooting or readjusting them.
( what equipment is required or can i do it on my own)...

regds

shaily

**ACCLUDE91** · 01-05-2004, 04:12 AM

To test most of this stuff, you need to know how to use a multimiter.

1. To test Fast Idle Valve, start the engine. remove the fast idle cover which is located near the throttlebody. Put your hand/finger on the valve seat area. Checl to make sure that there is aitflow when your engine is cold and idling. Once the motor warms up (cooling fans come on) the valve should close completely and there should be no additional airflow through the fast idle valve. If it dies not do any of this correctly, then replace the fast idle valve.

2. As for the coolant temp. sensors, there are two on the accord and both have 2 wire going to each. One goes to ground and the other goes through the motor harness to stuff like the cooling fan relay etc. Test for continuity to ground on both plugs the ground wire should register with continuity but the other wire of each should not register as continuity with ground. If all thst's good, then start the engine and let it warm up. Once its warm, unplug the wire connector from the sensor and stick a multimeter directly to the leads on the sensor. Measure the resistance between the two terminals. It should read 200-400ohms. If any of that does not check out then, replace the sensor.

3. To test the MAP sensor, turn the ignition on and measure the voltage betweeen pins D19 and D21 at the ECU. It should read right at 5v. If it doesn't then check the wires. If wires are OK, then replace the MAP sensor. If all that checks out OK, then you need to do a vacuum test on it to make sure that it holds vacuum. You need a vacuum pump to do this. If it does not hold vacuum then replace the sensor. The MAP sensor is located in that little black box that sits on the firewall above the fuel filter and EGR canister.

4. The TDC/CKP/CYP sensor is gonna be harder to explain, but I'll try. Look at the distributor and you'll see a grey plug that has 7 wires in it. Unplug that. It should look something like this.
........................................
...........________..............
..____/...............\____...
..|..............................|..
..|...1.....2....3......4.....|..
..|..............................|..
..|...5.....6....7......8.....|..
..|..............................|..
..-----------------------..
.................................................. .
(pin 5 should be blank on your plug)

Now, you want to measure the resitance between pins 3 and 7. It should read 350-370 ohms. Measure resistance between pins 2 and 6. Should also read 350-370ohms. Measure resistance between pins 4 and 8. Should also read 350-370 ohms. Now test for continuity between pins 2 and 6 and also between pins 4 and 8. Continuity should not exist between those pins. If any of those do not read what they're supposed to, you need a new distributor.

That should take care of it. If you test all of that, replace what's necessary and you still have problems than get back with us. I think that will do it tho....
Good luck!

**accordmaniac** · 01-05-2004, 04:39 AM

90 Accord EXi?
Does your car have pop-up or
regular clear headlight?

If you have pop-up headlight,
check this site out!!

3rd Generation Accord
http://www.3geez.com/

**ACCLUDE91** · 01-05-2004, 05:25 AM

Na, he knows what he's talking about. They were never released in the US, but those are what's common in Europe and other western countires (including India) . They had 2.0 ltr F20's in them and some models came with 4 wheel steering. Bodywise they look pretty much the same with slight tailight differences to accomodate the wider license plates they got.

**shaily_mdi** · 02-17-2004, 03:31 AM

RE : SOS 1990

hi

Has been few months since i thru ur guidance was working to troubleshoot this.

The starting prob is over but the mileage is still pathetic.

Anywaz i have decided to port a mitshbishi diesal engine(mitsubishi gallant) 2.4 cc ( in india diesal cost half of what petrol does) .

CAn some one tell me if the engine with the gear box is changed ( in my case with the above mentioned engine) will the 4 wheel steering be effected.

Also if on porting engines u guys have any wise advices let me know ,i can share it with my mechanic.

shailendra

**h22sparkle** · 02-17-2004, 01:44 PM

I know what hes talkin about my car does the same thing too what can it be my boy told me it was a sensor aswell too.

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