F22A6 Cam gear install

[Mishakol129]

Uh guys, what does it mean when you put in in neutral and going to stop and all of the sudden the oil light and battery light comes on out of nowhere? This just happened to me. Also the pw steering is not working right its overflowing and hard to turn... I think when I was messing with ps belt to get the the timing belt I overtightened it, can that cause it? I'll have to loosen it.

I think I needed to reset the ECU after the same swap, my idle is more rough. Idles good just rougher, what I mean is more vibrations.


Those lights concern me most though, what is it?

I am guessing my car was stalling out for some reason. It did that before when I first did the 5 speed swap, as I put it in neutral the revs would bottom out and almost die... It never stalled out completely or had the lights come on though.

[wildBill83]

There is no help for this one...

I said what should be done, the OP will eventually have to do it once he gets his head on straight.

Exhaustion is horrible on logic after all.

[Mishakol129]

Well I reset the ECU and it fixed the rough idle and the warning lights problem is fixed too... However the powersteering is still a big issue, seems while I was messing with my CC actuator I worsened an existing problem with the PS, as one of the hoses is leaking and sucking in air. Gotta get that fixed. Anyone know where to find cheap PS line for our cars? I looked at the JY but all of them had the lines cut.

[dj_ender]

There is no help for this one...

Under statement of the century.

[Mishakol129]

There is no help for this one...

I said what should be done, the OP will eventually have to do it once he gets his head on straight.

Exhaustion is horrible on logic after all.

So you really think its that important I fix it the right way soon as I can?
Will do but honestly I don't have the time or energy to do it. It will be done sooner or later, heck maybe after the head is taken off and is replaced.
Just don't wanna go back in there again and re do it. This is a lesson though, use a torque wrench next time and make sure the engine is stone cold not lukewarm! I got away with the lesson so im happy for now.

[dj_ender]

As far as the bolts for the dizzy collar go, they are there to help seal the oil in from the cylinder head. If you only have one, you will have a slight seepage from the dizzy seal. I ran mine that way for a long time.

[wildBill83]

So you really think its that important I fix it the right way soon as I can?
Will do but honestly I don't have the time or energy to do it. It will be done sooner or later, heck maybe after the head is taken off and is replaced.
Just don't wanna go back in there again and re do it. This is a lesson though, use a torque wrench next time and make sure the engine is stone cold not lukewarm! I got away with the lesson so im happy for now.

Yes, it is important for the health of your motor. You just spent all that time and money to redo everything, why continue to half assed a job? Also you can remove the broken bolt without even removing the valve cover or end cam cap.

I can't believe you are doing all of this work and still haven't invested in even a cheap torsion bar torque wrench or similar. I would not expect the cam to be torqued correctly and this can reduce the life of your motor substantially. If it were me, I would do it right or do it twice as the alternative is a possible new boat anchor.

As it is your motor may run now but will not last another 20 years like the factory build did. Please tell me you have used a torque wrench on your rotating assembly when you did the bottom end build...

You should get rid of the JB Weld and run without a bolt until you can get a replacement. JB Weld is not doing you any favors there as it is not going to hold any clamping force and will hinder future repairs.

[Mishakol129]

Yes, it is important for the health of your motor. You just spent all that time and money to redo everything, why continue to half assed a job? Also you can remove the broken bolt without even removing the valve cover or end cam cap.

I can't believe you are doing all of this work and still haven't invested in even a cheap torsion bar torque wrench or similar. I would not expect the cam to be torqued correctly and this can reduce the life of your motor substantially. If it were me, I would do it right or do it twice as the alternative is a possible new boat anchor.

As it is your motor may run now but will not last another 20 years like the factory build did. Please tell me you have used a torque wrench on your rotating assembly when you did the bottom end build...

You should get rid of the JB Weld and run without a bolt until you can get a replacement. JB Weld is not doing you any favors there as it is not going to hold any clamping force and will hinder future repairs.

I do have an electric torque wrench adapter but I didn't use it on the rocker arm assembly mainly because I drank too much beer and was too stupid to think about it.
And the bottom end was torqued to spec.

I torqued the valve bolts from inside to out. They should be good.

Thanks for the advice i'll get to it sooner or later.

[Jarrett]

Why should we continue helping you? You act first, regularly make huge mistakes, then come on here to ask for help, and finally determine that the advice doesn't suit you, your mood or your budget. It seems exceptionally rude to me and it causes me to question what you bring to this forum. Why should the members on here who help you out all of the time continue to do so if their answers (usually good advice) don't suit you? It has sounded like you have needed to stop working on your car for a while now. Your logic for continuing to do so is beyond me.

Please rethink your current trends and be more considerate of the help you receive here.

[GhostAccord]

He's back here because he has alienated everyone on H-T. Not many people left on there will give him the time of day. After they help him once and he argues with them about their advice. They drop him like the troll he is.

[Mishakol129]

He's back here because he has alienated everyone on H-T. Not many people left on there will give him the time of day. After they help him once and he argues with them about their advice. They drop him like the troll he is.

Are you super duper serious? I just like to look at other options and what other people think. I'm not that idiot who listens to just what one guy tells me, everyone gives different advice. For example DJ Ender on here just said that he drove around without that bolt for a long time and that its for the dist. oil seal... Someone else was saying that I had to fix it now and that its a "big mistake". Who am I to believe?


The original question was whether using the A6 cam would work okay in my head... I received the answer and made the swap... Then a problem arose, I asked if it was a big deal and got mixed opinions/advice and actually was ordered/hassled by the members on here to fix it right and tell me that jb weld is a POS idea and that I am stupid. Don't really appreciate that very much. I understand that I should fix it the "right way" but I simply don't have the time or motivation to do so right now... Jesus.

[wildBill83]

Are you super duper serious? I just like to look at other options and what other people think. I'm not that idiot who listens to just what one guy tells me, everyone gives different advice. For example DJ Ender on here just said that he drove around without that bolt for a long time and that its for the dist. oil seal... Someone else was saying that I had to fix it now and that its a "big mistake". Who am I to believe?


The original question was whether using the A6 cam would work okay in my head... I received the answer and made the swap... Then a problem arose, I asked if it was a big deal and got mixed opinions/advice and actually was ordered/hassled by the members on here to fix it right and tell me that jb weld is a POS idea and that I am stupid. Don't really appreciate that very much. I understand that I should fix it the "right way" but I simply don't have the time or motivation to do so right now... Jesus.

Look man, your mistake is buying jbweld in the first place. Throw it away ASAP. No one ordered you or hassled you. We gave you advice. I did say your actions weren't smart, but it is the truth. Let's take a look at the actions you did.

1. drank alcohol and worked on cam
2. didn't use a torque wrench to put on the cam
3. broke a bolt in the head
4. gooped up the bolt hole with JB Weld
5. hoped for it to be a "permantant solutoin" without understanding how JB Weld works
6. asked for advice after the fact and got upset when people pointed out what you did wrong and suggested how to fix it

You do understand that JB is an epoxy, and epoxies are not meant to hold in the manner right?

Even if you epoxied your whole cam cage down and the epoxy would actually survive the heat cycles the motor is going to subject it to and made a "permanent bond", which it would never actually make, what would your plan be in the future for cam cage o-oring replacement? What about dizzy replacement? What about maintenance all together?

But really no one told you that your motor would explode if you didn't take the advice or else. I'll BOLD and UNDERLINE the good advice you seem to be taking as someone ordering you or hassling you.

What is with you and JB Weld? Epoxy doesn't belong there... Buy a bolt extrator kit and replace it correctly. That's not smart. It would almost be better to run without the bolt and fix it later than to epoxy down your dizzy end cam cap.

They do matter. All of them. They are all needed and are needed to be torqued to spec.

Is it one that is one of the studs on top of the bolt to the valve cover? That happened to me (because someone else had been in there at one time fucking around). If thats the case you got lucky because the bolt/stud can still be turned. If not that could be a royal bitch and it is a big deal. You broke a fucking bolt off in the head.

Like wild bill said. Get an extractor kit (if you broke a bolt off not a bolt/stud for the VC) and get that JB weld out.

Well the JB weld is only in the bolt hole and on the outside where the dizzy is and not where any oil is (inside the VC).I really wanted this to be a permantant solutoin cause I just don't have time to fizzle with it anymore i'm too sore.

As far as the bolts for the dizzy collar go, they are there to help seal the oil in from the cylinder head. If you only have one, you will have a slight seepage from the dizzy seal. I ran mine that way for a long time.

Yes, it is important for the health of your motor. You just spent all that time and money to redo everything, why continue to half assed a job? Also you can remove the broken bolt without even removing the valve cover or end cam cap.

I can't believe you are doing all of this work and still haven't invested in even a cheap torsion bar torque wrench or similar. I would not expect the cam to be torqued correctly and this can reduce the life of your motor substantially. If it were me, I would do it right or do it twice as the alternative is a possible new boat anchor.

As it is your motor may run now but will not last another 20 years like the factory build did. Please tell me you have used a torque wrench on your rotating assembly when you did the bottom end build...

You should get rid of the JB Weld and run without a bolt until you can get a replacement. JB Weld is not doing you any favors there as it is not going to hold any clamping force and will hinder future repairs.

After all of this you asked again if you should fix it right away and we respond yet again that you should fix it as soon as possible. I wouldn't want an oil leak there so I would fix it as soon as possible if it were my motor. I have yet to see you being harassed. If you consider asking the same question time and time again expecting to get a different response, that is not being harassed.

[Mishakol129]

Look man, your mistake is buying jbweld in the first place. Throw it away ASAP. No one ordered you or hassled you. We gave you advice. I did say your actions weren't smart, but it is the truth. Let's take a look at the actions you did.

1. drank alcohol and worked on cam
2. didn't use a torque wrench to put on the cam
3. broke a bolt in the head
4. gooped up the bolt hole with JB Weld
5. hoped for it to be a "permantant solutoin" without understanding how JB Weld works
6. asked for advice after the fact and got upset when people pointed out what you did wrong and suggested how to fix it

You do understand that JB is an epoxy, and epoxies are not meant to hold in the manner right?

Even if you epoxied your whole cam cage down and the epoxy would actually survive the heat cycles the motor is going to subject it to and made a "permanent bond", which it would never actually make, what would your plan be in the future for cam cage o-oring replacement? What about dizzy replacement? What about maintenance all together?

But really no one told you that your motor would explode if you didn't take the advice or else. I'll BOLD and UNDERLINE the good advice you seem to be taking as someone ordering you or hassling you.











After all of this you asked again if you should fix it right away and we respond yet again that you should fix it as soon as possible. I wouldn't want an oil leak there so I would fix it as soon as possible if it were my motor. I have yet to see you being harassed. If you consider asking the same question time and time again expecting to get a different response, that is not being harassed.

Its not leaking oil right now, its a new dist. seal.

Now that I check it again the A6 cam didn't give me that much more acceleration than the A1 cam, maybe a little bit... I seriously think that I need a tune for it to really come alive. The Pt6 ECU was tuned for the A6 cam not the P12 ECU. Still its not a bad idea imo.


Alright man, how old are you anyways, is because you're older than me that you think you can berate me and talk down to me? I am sure that's what GhostAccord thinks, just because he's 30 something and has all this experience with cars that he's somehow superior to others or something, all he does is talk down to me.
The way you and he talk about me is really arrogant and obnoxious, it brings nothing good. Makes me a little sickened to come on here. What is it do you want me to kiss you all's feet like you're Jesus? You guys act like you are the Son of God and are divine beings.

[wildBill83]

Its not leaking oil right now, its a new dist. seal.

Now that I check it again the A6 cam didn't give me that much more acceleration than the A1 cam, maybe a little bit... I seriously think that I need a tune for it to really come alive. The Pt6 ECU was tuned for the A6 cam not the P12 ECU. Still its not a bad idea imo.


Alright man, how old are you anyways, is because you're older than me that you think you can berate me and talk down to me? I am sure that's what GhostAccord thinks, just because he's 30 something and has all this experience with cars that he's somehow superior to others or something, all he does is talk down to me.
The way you and he talk about me is really arrogant and obnoxious, it brings nothing good. Makes me a little sickened to come on here. What is it do you want me to kiss you all's feet like you're Jesus? You guys act like you are the Son of God and are divine beings.

It will leak oil, it's just not now, and it will deform your seal and may induce early plasticizing. This is the last bit of advice I give to you though.

For some reason you think someone trying to help you out is berating you, even after I pointed out no one was berating you to begin with. Sorry you feel the way you do about someone giving you free advice and assistance.

I am older than you, but age has nothing to do with maturity and experience level. It's not my fault you can't take constructive criticism.
I could give a shit less if you even thanked me for giving you the good advice I have already given you to help you fix your car correctly. I have helped you time and time again only to get the "well I'm lazy and going to do it wrong anyway" response. That is the sole reason you get the reactions you do time and time again. It has nothing to do with arrogance, it has to do with you being lazy and choosing to do it wrong anyway. If you don't want our advice don't ask it. I'm not acting like Jesus and never expected you to kiss my feet or anything like that. I posted on this thread on my own out of good will to help you extend the longevity of a build I thought you actually gave two shits about. Forgive me for actually caring enough about another member and their work to even put my advice out there, it won't happen for you again so this confusion won't be repeated.

In my opinion your actions show more arrogance than any other poster in this thread.

Enjoy your JB Weld adventures aplenty.