About my very first rebuild

[Mishakol129]

New Problem: Oil Pan gasket seeping oil.

There seems to be some (but not much) seepage of oil from my oil pan gasket and possibly from the oil pump itself (this is not verified though.).
Guy from the autoparts store said to toque the bolts down more which I did, but then he said it maybe that the pan is warped. So if it doesn't stop leaking my options are either: 1, get a new gasket, or 2, get a new oil pan and a new gasket.


The oil pan should be verified though by inspection because I don't want to buy another oil pan if I don't for sure need to.

What would you do in this situation? The oil seepage is very very minimal, it doesn't even drip or get on the bottom of the pan, but as time goes by, it will likely get worse, no? I hope my oil pump isn't leaking, it could have been the cam seal (yet that is new).

I think the cause of this was too much oil pressure, I may have put a little too much oil in the crankcase.


Ps,


What did was glued the gasket to the pan with RTV and then I used more RTV on the mating surface of the block. Then I torqued the pan down in 2 steps. I possibly used too much RTV though.

[dj_ender]

There seems to be some (but not much) seepage of oil from my oil pan gasket and possibly from the oil pump itself (this is not verified though.).
Guy from the autoparts store said to toque the bolts down more which I did, but then he said it maybe that the pan is warped. So if it doesn't stop leaking my options are either: 1, get a new gasket, or 2, get a new oil pan and a new gasket.


The oil pan should be verified though by inspection because I don't want to buy another oil pan if I don't for sure need to.

What would you do in this situation? The oil seepage is very very minimal, it doesn't even drip or get on the bottom of the pan, but as time goes by, it will likely get worse, no? I hope my oil pump isn't leaking, it could have been the cam seal (yet that is new).

I think the cause of this was too much oil pressure, I may have put a little too much oil in the crankcase.


Ps,


What did was glued the gasket to the pan with RTV and then I used more RTV on the mating surface of the block. Then I torqued the pan down in 2 steps. I possibly used too much RTV though.

What did you torque it to? IIRC it's 10ft/lbs. Too tight and it will squeeze out, causing tears and leaks. From my experience auto parts store employees are more stupid than your average Wal-Mart employees.

[Mishakol129]

What did you torque it to? IIRC it's 10ft/lbs. Too tight and it will squeeze out, causing tears and leaks. From my experience auto parts store employees are more stupid than your average Wal-Mart employees.

Too tight and it will squeeze out, hmmm never thought of that. I didn't use a torque wrench either.

You can't judge all autoparts store clerks just by your own experience. There are some knowledgeable people in my area they probably just never worked on Honda's. They're supposed to know something about cars, some know a lot and have rebuilt them, others know way less. You must have ran into people who just barely knew enough to be employed at an auto parts store.

Do you think you could answer me on the points I made? There are many. I will sum them up:

- Should I get a new oil pan or just a gasket?

- What is the likelihood that my oil pump is leaking?

- I put a little bit too much (not much) oil in the crankcase, do you think I caused too much pressure?

- Will the leak get worse over time and should I act now to fix it?

[oyajicool]

Too tight and it will squeeze out, hmmm never thought of that. I didn't use a torque wrench either.

You can't judge all autoparts store clerks just by your own experience. There are some knowledgeable people in my area they probably just never worked on Honda's. They're supposed to know something about cars, some know a lot and have rebuilt them, others know way less. You must have ran into people who just barely knew enough to be employed at an auto parts store.

Do you think you could answer me on the points I made? There are many. I will sum them up:

- Should I get a new oil pan or just a gasket?
You must locate the source of leak first.

- What is the likelihood that my oil pump is leaking?
Did you re-do installation of pump after you realized that you spend more time than allowed for RTV?

- I put a little bit too much (not much) oil in the crankcase, do you think I caused too much pressure?
Too much oil does not lead to too much oil pressure.

- Will the leak get worse over time and should I act now to fix it?
One thing for sure, it will not be better. More than likely will get worse.

Use of too much RTV may lead to engine failure. Loose RTV can find it's way into places you don't want it to be and block flow of oil. I had such engine in my friend's CVCC Civic a long time ago.

Good luck.

[Mishakol129]

Use of too much RTV may lead to engine failure. Loose RTV can find it's way into places you don't want it to be and block flow of oil. I had such engine in my friend's CVCC Civic a long time ago.

Dang that's a bummer, I wonder if this happens often, hope not. I used some rtv but not a large amount. However I didn't put all of it in a narrow bead in the middle like it says in the manual.

- Should I get a new oil pan or just a gasket?

You must locate the source of leak first.

Its already been located as coming from the oil pan gasket itself, its seeping out of it like jabba the hut with very mild diarrhea.

- What is the likelihood that my oil pump is leaking?

Did you re-do installation of pump after you realized that you spend more time than allowed for RTV?

Yes I did that.

- I put a little bit too much (not much) oil in the crankcase, do you think I caused too much pressure?

Too much oil does not lead to too much oil pressure.

Some people think it does.

- Will the leak get worse over time and should I act now to fix it?

One thing for sure, it will not be better. More than likely will get worse.[/I]

Good luck.

Yeah, but I probably would have no leaks to begin with had I not revved the car above 5k. Leaks of any kind signify some kind of defect with the build I guess, not the driving style.

[oyajicool]

Some people think it does.

They can think all they want, whatever they want.
I would like to hear how it is possible.
I would like to know their credential.

[esskater892]

well as for it in spec ide say your ok then, just be ware that over time it will wear and may fail. so learn just learn from this build, hey making mistakes is how u learn right?

as for the oil pan and oil pump the best way to make sure everything is torqued right is to criss cross patter and quad checking each bolt. same with oil pan. you could try to put rtv sealant around the outside of the pan all the way around and see if that stops it from leaking

good luck man.

[esskater892]

What did you torque it to? IIRC it's 10ft/lbs. Too tight and it will squeeze out, causing tears and leaks. From my experience auto parts store employees are more stupid than your average Wal-Mart employees.

ya autozone employes pl who dont know squat about cars. im not saying that there is not people who work there that dont know squat just that the majority dont. its a sales game is all it is to them.

[Mishakol129]

ya autozone employes pl who dont know squat about cars. im not saying that there is not people who work there that dont know squat just that the majority dont. its a sales game is all it is to them.

There is only one autozone near me, the rest are Napa and Advance AP. It really just depends on who you talk to, usually the older men will know something, its the women who don't know squat. The younger guys pretend to know something but don't know very much, this is common for many people too not just autoparts workers. Its the person who says "I don't know it all" who will likely give you good information, not the people who claim to. The people who claim to know it all are usually too blinded by their own conceit and bias to actually know anything. Reminds me of the saying, "Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him." - Proverbs 26:12.


Its one thing to have knowledge but quite another to have wisdom. Many people have knowledge but not many have wisdom. Wisdom is knowing the proper application of the knowledge that one possesses.

[Mishakol129]

well as for it in spec ide say your ok then, just be ware that over time it will wear and may fail. so learn just learn from this build, hey making mistakes is how u learn right?

as for the oil pan and oil pump the best way to make sure everything is torqued right is to criss cross patter and quad checking each bolt. same with oil pan. you could try to put rtv sealant around the outside of the pan all the way around and see if that stops it from leaking

good luck man.

I don't think I used the proper silicone rtv is what it was, I used the clear kind when I should have used the black which says its made for oil resistance.

However I learned today that I may have a power steering fluid leak; now I am not losing any oil but I am losing power steering fluids: Could it be that what I am seeing on my oil pan is not oil but power steering fluid? It maybe possible. What do you think?

[oyajicool]

PS fluid = Red.
Fresh motor oil = yellowish.
Use clean paper towel to check the color.

If you were using new gaskets for your engine, you don't need using RTV unless it is called for by the manual.

[Mishakol129]

PS fluid = Red.
Fresh motor oil = yellowish.
Use clean paper towel to check the color.

If you were using new gaskets for your engine, you don't need using RTV unless it is called for by the manual.

Yeah the manual called for RTV on the oil pump and the oil pan.

I got another observation for this rebuild. At just a little over the 300 mile mark, the the oil smells like gasoline. I found out this was normal for rebuilt motors because the rings are not seated yet. I went to empty out a little oil from pan drain bolt and found the oil to be a brown color. I have not given it an oil change yet but is this a call for an oil change? I was gonna change it at the 500 mile mark.

EDIT: I just changed the oil. Does it mean anything if bubbles are in the oil? I found some on the stick before and after I changed the oil.

[esskater892]

I don't think I used the proper silicone rtv is what it was, I used the clear kind when I should have used the black which says its made for oil resistance.

However I learned today that I may have a power steering fluid leak; now I am not losing any oil but I am losing power steering fluids: Could it be that what I am seeing on my oil pan is not oil but power steering fluid? It maybe possible. What do you think?

could be man. if u wipe it with ur finger and its a clear color like the ps fluid then ide say so. but if its black or brown on ur finger its oil then.

[GhostAccord]

So now that I have read through this thread. I am LMFAO even more than I was when I first saw him trying to give his misinterpretation of engine break in tips to a professional mechanic over on Honda Tech last week.

My suggestion to people who are just getting into working on cars... Don't read something online and think you know it all.

[oyajicool]

I thought he was back for more fun reading/posts.