B16c5????

[HaulAss247]

lol there was no opinion, just a simple statement and an idea about what has been brought up as a theory many times. And seen it personally. One of my good friends has been building b16s for a long time. I've been in the cars and watched them race before, and its very impressive, when you do actually think of that theory. Do not get me wrong, I'm a big fan of h and f series, I've worked on pretty much nothing but the two. I've done f22a, f22b, h22, h23, g23 hybrid etc etc, And don't get confused, when i talked to him, it was about getting my buddy's h22 sleeved, it wasn't for me, I wouldn't be going supercharged in the accord Or all motor which is what he suggested for my h23. I don't just take everything he tells me, like I said its advice and info. Many of us know these issues, spinning bearings(me personally), bent valves( CPMIKE has done this a few times I think) Its merely an idea and a way to put the theory to test. I probably wouldn't do this unless I had the shell and motor easily available to me.
You have to look at the whole picture as well when you talk about that smaller displacement motor thoery, Its also about your power to weight ratio vs who-ever's your racing. Just things we talk about, cuz we always want to be faster

[Tnwagn]

The oiling issue wasn't at high power levels, he said its at even higher risk with serious power levels. But the problem can be seen in the oil clearance for the mains stated in the helms manual(stock form). Those clearances are hondas specs from the factory of course

Looking at my manual for the Accord I have the following journal clearances

#1 & 2: .0008 to .0018 inches
#3: .0010 to .0019 inches
#4: .0005 to .0015 inches
#5: .0004 to .0013 inches


So if I read it the same as your tuner guy did, it would look like the F22 from the CB was progressively clearanced from 1 to 5. Changes in clearances on the journals doesn't mean that car is going to have oil issues. So now I guess the F22 has similar oil problems as the H22.

You have to look at the whole picture as well when you talk about that smaller displacement motor thoery, Its also about your power to weight ratio vs who-ever's your racing. Just things we talk about, cuz we always want to be faster

If you want to be faster, then swapping in a B-series isn't the right direction. To get a stock B-series engine that has more power than the stock F22 is going to cost anywhere from 2-3 grand. That's just for the engine, not even everything it will cost to make it work. Take the same money and build up the F22 and you will have a car that will toast any B-series accord (if anyone could even get one running properly).

[HaulAss247]

No one said it was cheaper, by any means. No one here is calling a f22 a piece of junk, saying the b series is far better etc etc. Simply saying you can't deny the f or h does have its issues, the motor isn't balanced well. When something isn't balanced well it has vibrations, reason for the balance shafts, When you start modifying the motor for higher output, its only going to stress the motor and these issues with it even more. I've been on cb7tuner for a while and know h is the way to go for these cars, I was messing with h and f motors ever since i could drive. And up until recently I was working at a acura dealer so I've had the experience of working on b18s as well. If you ever look at the clearances for the b series motors, the tolerances are much tighter. And in the email when we were talking it was about the h22. No was calling you dumb for building a h or f, especially not me read my last post or seach my name, up until recently i've had nothing but cb7s with f or h's. My eg is probably going to be usinga f20b , and a h to b adapter plate And like i said it was a advice and info mostly. But hes not my "tuner" guy hes a builder, who I haven't even gotten work done with yet anyway. Hes been around a long time and well known on Honda-tech.

[Tnwagn]

No one here is ... saying the b series is far better etc etc.

The design of the b18 and b16 motor is better as well.

I don't have a problem if you think the design is better, just don't flip flop on what you're saying.


And if you aren't saying that it is a better design, and that the H and F are both good engines to work with, then what ARE you saying?

Not trying to bust your chops dude, just trying to understand what you are thinking.

[HaulAss247]

I don't have a problem if you think the design is better, just don't flip flop on what you're saying.


And if you aren't saying that it is a better design, and that the H and F are both good engines to work with, then what ARE you saying?

Not trying to bust your chops dude, just trying to understand what you are thinking.

Your taking what i'm saying the wrong way, not flip flopping, making a statement, the balance shafts show a design flaw in the h and f series motors, simple balancing issue, i think i've said it about 5 times in this thread. Forget about specs/cost of the B for the moment, think about the issues we see with the h and f motors. The main problem is the balance issue, which is a def a bad thing when building a motor for power, You usually dont see issues with it after a build of course because, the motor is blue printed and balanced. Not saying the B is perfect, just factory build to factory build it was put together better. Or not patched up like our motors were.
But yea like i said am not reccomending people with cb7s or any accord go out and buy a B series for it, Not cost effective, Most of us are used to torque and dont want to give that up. but in a odd situation like what this thread was originally about What really would be the harm in it. I really dont know why people think it would be that hard to make this motor work really, No harder than putting a H or F in a civic or integra, just use your head alittle bit. My buddy is putting a B18 in a conquest, so anything is possible

[visualpoet]

...My buddy is putting a B18 in a conquest, so anything is possible

Sacrilege!

How built is the B going to be? I hope the answer is VERY built. It will definitely be one of a kind, but I can't imagine it'll be anywhere near as much fun to drive as a bone stock Conquest. 234 ft lbs of rear tire shredding ferocity was what made the Conquest/Starion such a bad ass ride.

Would like to see some pics of it though.

[HaulAss247]

yea hes been building b16s since forever it seems, his civic hatch was in the 10s, the two friends of mine hes built are in the 11s and 12s, very unique, being changed to reverse rotation and running a adapter plate for the tranny, changing it to automatic tho. We've STRIPPED it already, and only but wasn't necessary to run in the pro street class with the car. I'll try and take some pics if hes okay with it, don't know if hes keepin it under wraps or not. He does have a website, shop, etc back motorsports