b18c inside 92 accord?

[h22sparkle]

Can you grow up, please? Im three years younger than you and I act more mature.

listen here youngbuck silence back to topic

[HondaB18]

I don't understand why people exaggerate about how the B18 will not move the car. It will, in the previous thread about the same subject matter but with a D series it was discussed that the lower displacement Honda engine would have to be revved higher to combat the torque it lacks. The turbo (power adder) also helps contribute. Who knows the specs on the B18C but I've seen some impressive numbers that can be achieved from them. I'm sure there are some people who have though about swapping to a smaller displacement engine in their car but have not (in CBs) and I think for good reason.

[DA92CB7]

It is concivably possible to get good tourqe numbers out of a B18c(gsr) but why would you wanna waste that much money building a motor that you then have to dump alot more money in to just get it to go into our bay. That money could be better spent turboing a f22 or you could go traditional style and put a h22 in and build that a little and still come out with less money put in and have better numbers. But this topic has been beat and beat to death can we just leave it be and any further topics started regarding this be deleated and the user be told to search, cause i mean serriously. I have only been on this site a while and i have seen threee different newly created threads on this very topic.

[HenRoc]

listen here youngbuck silence back to topic

Sparkle

SHUT THE FUCK UP. Youve made and arshe out of yourself silly boy.

[oneoffaccord]

im going to sell my h23 for a b18c in my accord then boost it

[DA92CB7]

im going to sell my h23 for a b18c in my accord then boost it

now thats a conciveable pathway down the b serries into our wonderful cb chassis. . . as long as you arent being sarcastic oneoff

[h22sparkle]

Sparkle

SHUT THE FUCK UP. Youve made and arshe out of yourself silly boy.

your even more of a fool just by trying to get at me your th only one that looks silly moscow huh good stay there you dont deserve the right to talk still rockin nothing but a intake on yur car. or perhaps that fix or repair daily typical of a meathead ford owner. now back to topic

[DhN]

i jus dont see the point...doing all that modification...for all that money....its original..if i ahd alot of money to throw around and had a side car and a daily driver then yeah..but shit..might as well do a k series swap

[HenRoc]

your even more of a fool just by trying to get at me your th only one that looks silly moscow huh good stay there you dont deserve the right to talk still rockin nothing but a intake on yur car. or perhaps that fix or repair daily typical of a meathead ford owner. now back to topic

And at 26 ya still live at home. Nice..

I actually would only own three models that Ford makes: F-Series , Mustangs and Rangers.

But yeah I don't think owning a Ford makes me a meathead..but hey whatever it's just words, thanks for the compliment.

You made yourself look like a moron because someone proved your stupid ass wrong and your still running with it. Your like a retarded plague, can't get rid of you..grow the fuck up, and if someone else moves on stop trying to convince them to stay in the 'CB7 game'.


How bout we have a good ole tow war..your car versus my truck, and we'll see who wins.


I mean that shitbox of car can be torn apart.

[deevergote]

The B18C5 has 3-7ft/lbs less than the F22A1 (depending on model B18... JDM or USDM) That is NOT a big difference. Saying the B18 has no torque is just as silly as saying an F22A with an intake and exhaust makes SOOO much more power than stock. It's 7ft/lbs... not a big deal.

The B18C is a high revving motor anyway. It's not supposed to have low end grunt. A B18 at 8500 wouldn't be horrible in a CB7. Certainly not optimal, and probably not as practical for a daily driver as an H22, but it wouldn't be like dropping in a Honda 600 motor...

[deevergote]

You guys are driving me bananas...


I mean BANanas...



Knock it off. We all know that whatever sparkle is running at the moment is the greatest thing on earth. Whatever. Stop fighting about it.

[mondojackal]

The CB chassis comes with a 1.8L and a 2.0L in other countries... the B18 would move the car. It wouldn't be nearly as good as in a Civic or Integra, but it wouldn't be terrible. A turbo would make it a fairly potent motor.

However, the impracticality of doing the swap would make it not worth it. It will probably cost you about $200 to have an h22 shipped to you. That's about $2000 total, for a motor with 40,000 miles on it (ECU and transmission as well). It will most likely cost you well over $1000 for the custom parts alone for the B18 swap. Mounts, axles, wiring, fuel lines, coolant lines... so many things would need to be fabricated and/or modified. Even then, you couldn't guarantee that everything would be right. You could go through 3 sets of mounts and 6 sets of axles before you got the geometry perfect.

thanks for the real reason why the b18 swap is impractical.
everyone and their mother says something stupid like the accord is too heavy.
riiight.
same thing with the s2k motor, right?
oh wait.. the s2k weighs more than a cb, oh yeah..
b19 is more than potent enough for the cb, and it has more aftermarket potential. i'd venture to say that if someone went out and swapped a b18 into an accord chassis, it'd be the fastest accord to date. given the right prep to the motor and car. those motors are capable of more hp much easier than an h22 or f20 or f22

[deevergote]

True, building a B series is easier than an F or H. I don't think a built streetable B18 would be faster than a similarly built H22 in drag, but it would probably work for road racing (if the RPM can be kept high). Down low, the B18 is not ideal. The H22 makes more sense in terms of ease and torque (as well as cost).

[owequitit]

I agree about the practicality reasons, but I disagree on the weight thing.

The biggest engine possible in the littlest car possible has always been the golden rule of extracting speed.

It goes right back to the laws of physics and the over-ruling power to weight ratio.

In Honda's case, the biggest is relative to their other engines, but still small compared to the rest of the world. That is ok though.

B18's are somewhat peaky, especially the DOHC VTEC ones. Yes, even relative to the H22.

As far as not being able to extract HP from an H22, I disagree. On most fully built NA B series I have seen, you aren't going to be looking at much over 200-220WHP without boost while maintaining streetability (including emmissions for areas so tested) and reliability. The B20 is fairly easy to get that out of, but anything beyond that requires revving it higher than the stroke really wants to go.

The B16 and the B18 can both rev higher (especially the B16) but they aren't working with the displacement, and thus are at a disadvantage from the start.

Omniman's fully built B16 on pump gas while passing emmissions put out about 197 or so WHP. Right about 200.

The only realistic built NA H22 on this site that is well known, puts down 70WHP more than that, and a whole lot more torque all the way through. There are others that have done better. I also am pretty sure that 2point6 is sandbagging his numbers a bit (I don't blame him, I agree with his methods) compared to how others measure HP. His is usually measured in the most adverse conditions possible. For instance, I believe his 268WHP was layed down with an ambient temp of almost 110 degrees in the dyno room. Do you suppose that will affect power? Most likely. I think he has outdone that since then too, but hasn't advertised as much. That engine now also resides in a Civic drag car, and he is prepping a new present for the Accord. I have no idea what it is, but I am pretty sure he said it was an H22 of some form or another.

It is really hard to say that the H22 isn't capable when nobody on here really knows. Maybe it isn't, but knowing the way Honda designed everything else around the time period, I doubt it.

As far as parts availability goes, I have been able to find pretty much everything for the H that can be found for the B. This is primarily because they are so common in drag racing (again, more displacement in a lighter chassis). They might not be as available cheap and used in the aftermarket after 10 owners have been through them, but they ARE available.

You know Honda guys are fairly jaded when they complain that the H22 has no potential because they can't get 200WHP out of a 2.2liter NA with bolt-ons...

Also, I mean this in the nicest way.

Putting a B series in a car that would require tons of custom fabrication, doesn't make any sense when an H22 will be faster right out of the box and will bolt right in.

No need to cut off your nose to spite yourself. Believe it or not, in this world of logical, opportunistic and free thinking people, there is a reason B series swaps into a CB7 are not common.

[Accord R33]

All i wanted to do in my intial post was post ONE of the POSSIBLE benifits, however small, to doing this swap and it turned into making me sound like i think this is the best idea in the world. ill reiterate myself for the THIRD TIME in this thread. i do not think this is a good idea, the bad outweighs the good 100 to 1.