new to swaps,

[d112crzy]

omg, noob.

what is an f22b dohc?

it is an F22a block with an h23 head. what is the f22a redline and what is the h23 redline? the f22b dohc's redline is the same as the h23. if there was a reliability issue honda wouldnt have made it.

look at that thread. do you think that if revving the crank was an issue he would have brought it up?? there is NOTHING wrong with revving the f23 higher than redline. the only thing to worry about would be the valvetrain breaking on you.

and bolt ons dont add enough significant tq. they add more hp than anything. why do you think cicso's red project's tq numbers arent that high after all the mods he did? i bet he got most of his tq from the cam and not those bolt ons.

take a look at those dynos. the tq is not that much different, and those are HIGH END headers. a header is a bolt on, which adds more hp than tq(scavengin effect anyone?).
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1437360

[mondojackal]

omg, noob.

what is an f22b dohc?

it is an F22a block with an h23 head. what is the f22a redline and what is the h23 redline? the f22b dohc's redline is the same as the h23. if there was a reliability issue honda wouldnt have made it.

look at that thread. do you think that if revving the crank was an issue he would have brought it up?? there is NOTHING wrong with revving the f23 higher than redline. the only thing to worry about would be the valvetrain breaking on you.

and bolt ons dont add enough significant tq. they add more hp than anything. why do you think cicso's red project's tq numbers arent that high after all the mods he did? i bet he got most of his tq from the cam and not those bolt ons.

take a look at those dynos. the tq is not that much different, and those are HIGH END headers. a header is a bolt on, which adds more hp than tq(scavengin effect anyone?).
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1437360

you're missing the point..you must be a mexican..
the menial amount of added tq that you get isnt worth the trouble of swapping. and if an f22 can rev that high, why did wedek have trouble? oh, yeah, he revved it to the head's potential, rather than the block's limit.

[d112crzy]

i rev my block to 6800 no problem. hell, ive revved it past 7k(yes, mine still pulls up there). I plan on extending my redline to 7.5k at the least, with the same crank. only head mods will be done.

i bet you anything that if the car was maintened and built properly it would have been much better. no offense, but he couldnt even put on a timing belt on correctly.

wedek is one out of many who have done head swaps and has had a problem. I dont think carlos would keep doing swaps if he had problems.

and there is absolutely easy to do this swap. you will only have problems if you are not mechanically inlclined. but if you are not mechanically inclined, you shouldnt even be messing with cars.

what exactly happend to his car? i never really kept up on his thread. i TIHNK he was also on the stock ecu, or some stock ecu, not a chipped one. a properly tuned ecu will do wonders for any engine combination(hondas atleast). if this was the case, it was user error, not the engines fault.

[mondojackal]

i rev my block to 6800 no problem. hell, ive revved it past 7k(yes, mine still pulls up there). I plan on extending my redline to 7.5k at the least, with the same crank. only head mods will be done.

i bet you anything that if the car was maintened and built properly it would have been much better. no offense, but he couldnt even put on a timing belt on correctly.

wedek is one out of many who have done head swaps and has had a problem. I dont think carlos would keep doing swaps if he had problems.

and there is absolutely easy to do this swap. you will only have problems if you are not mechanically inlclined. but if you are not mechanically inclined, you shouldnt even be messing with cars.

what exactly happend to his car? i never really kept up on his thread. i TIHNK he was also on the stock ecu, or some stock ecu, not a chipped one. a properly tuned ecu will do wonders for any engine combination(hondas atleast). if this was the case, it was user error, not the engines fault.

i didnt say anything about a f22b...you have a completely different, and stock honda motor. that fact has nothing to do with a hybrid motor.

[d112crzy]

f22b is a hybrid motor. h23+f22a block!! the only difference is that it was assembled by someone mechanically inclined!!

it has the same exact block parts as an f22a, the head is the same as an h23 with the exception of the combustion area and bore(f22b head is 47.2cc).


actually, you're right. its not the same. the f22b has higher compression than an h23head on an f22a block does. this means that there is MORE stress being put on the f22b!!

think before you respond dude, seriously.

[mondojackal]

f22b is a hybrid motor. h23+f22a block!! the only difference is that it was assembled by someone mechanically inclined!!

it has the same exact block parts as an f22a, the head is the same as an h23 with the exception of the combustion area and bore(f22b head is 47.2cc).


actually, you're right. its not the same. the f22b has higher compression than an h23head on an f22a block does. this means that there is MORE stress being put on the f22b!!

think before you respond dude, seriously.

omg..are you joking. i havent said anything about the f22b. are the bearing for an f23 really gonna be able to handle the 7k rpm that you say that it can do? 85 mm bore with a 97 mm stroke?? that's just a little bit more stroke. yeah. you're right, stock valves are going to die at 7k if it hits it more than a few times, or for very long. that idea, and the idea that the bearings arent going to stay together..THAT makes for an unreliable motor.

[d112crzy]

bearings will be fine, trust me. if you dont trust me, trust the thousands of people who have succesfully done lsvtecs/crvtecs/g23/g23vtec. especially trust PirateMcFred.

and you think this way because for one, you dont have any experience with any type of franks or this kind of motor building. you also let your "logic" or "common sense" control you. the truth and the simple fact is, the crank and bearings will be fine as long as you maintain it and dont rape it everyday. hell, f23's are newer than f22's, so they should be in better shape to begin with(hopefully).
people break engines because they dont know what they are doing. simple as that.

you brought up wedeks headswap, which is the SAME as my f22b dohc. you said f22b is different than f22/h23. i proved you wrong.

replacing bearings is cake.