News from Hasport on K20 -> CB7

[owequitit]

The "WOW" factor...

If you're building a car to drag, like really going balls to the wall with everything, the H is not much less capable than the K. If you're driving it in the street, even with the K's added potential the cost is just not justifiable. You can get an H22 Type-S motor with JUN III cams and a top of the line header for less than a K20A Type-R motor and tranny...and if you're talking about actually getting the motor into a CB, with axles and electronics you can have a hell of an H...

Yes, and honestly, the lack of torque from the H is overrated.

It pales compared to the top end pull, but that is because there is such a distinct difference on the big cam.

They don't seem to have any trouble keeping up here in redneckville.

Also, the K's torque may be spread out a little better, but look at the K20 VS the H22. 137lb/ft vs 161 lb/ft. That is a big difference.

The K24 in the TSX has about 166lb/ft stock, a slight advantage, but not much. The K24 has a broader torque band, but it also runs out of revs 500-1,000 RPM sooner, which helps level the advantage.

Like I said, I am not knocking the K by any means, but the stock for stock gain isn't as huge as a lot of people would like.

[defjamon22z]

i work valet.. i gotta park cars at 5th floor. i drove the accord 05. and gun it. it feeels pretty good but the distance i had wasnt much. but one guy came with a lancer evo MR has carbon fiber front lip and some sorta wing in the roof by the back window. has turbo and he add a boost gauges on the steering wheel column and uhh.. 2 greedy lil box by the cupholder. 5 speed .. sound very nice.. i gun the bitch in the parkin lot lol. raw... =) but the one that really pulls that i feel satisfy with is a lexus. so fuckin quiet and quick. jeez.

[deevergote]

The K is VERY well made... but for street purposes, an H22 is just fine. When people talk about how the K series is superior to the B and H performance motors of the past, they aren't talking about things that the average person will care about. The designs are better, sure... but as glory said, you can build an H22 that makes more power than you'd need for far less than it would cost to put in a stock K series. The K series is really only good for show when it comes to CB7s. Until the availibilty of the H22 becomes an issue, the K series isn't needed. Once the H22s of the world become scarce, the K series will have dropped considerably in price (I'm talking 10 years or more, most likely).

A 2.4L engine won't be a torque monster. People argue that the H22 is gutless with only 2.2L, but a .2L increase won't help much either. It'd probably be just as difficult to drop in a V6 as it would a K24, and the gains would be greater.

[ilovemycb7]

The v-6 swap sounds about 1351235235 times better to me. And doesn't sound to much more expensive, but who knows the price?

k24 is a reasonable swap, k20 is a dumb swap.

Still J is the smartest swap if you want to be the first to do something.

Otherwise for the average car, street driven, looking for more fun. There is nothing wrong with the H if you aren't boosting something else.

Of course, as always, it's all opinion.

[gloryaccordy]

Someone REALLY needs to make a J block to K tranny adapter, and a mount kit for said combination in 4th-6th gen Accords...

I would get a 6th gen in a heartbeat if I could rock the K-series tranny on it.

[deevergote]

I totally agree. The H22 is a smart choice for a mild swap. The K series has a brighter future, but in stock form isn't significantly better than the H22.

A J series in the CB7 would be absolutely sick... The added weight would probably be an issue for anyone who wants handling, though.


Regardless, I was driving my GTP the other day, and my CEL came on (still haven't checked it... damn OBD2, my paperclip won't help!) I was heading to my mom's house. The first thing I said when I walked in the door was "That's it, I'm selling the GTP for $10,000, and taking that money to put a supercharged V6 into my CB7!"
For that price, I bet I could have a REALLY nice supercharged J swap...

[10thcb7]

I picked up an issue of modified at walmart. Well the skunk2 and the hasport honda/acuras both running K's placed last. Oh and skunk2 busted an engine. whoopee. Although.... intersestingly enuff they pulled 1.4 G laterals on a 150ft skid @ 45 MPH out there ass. but in the fwd the 2.4 turbo scion kicked there ass. I dunno seems like hondas arnt the "thing" any more.

Well we still gotta find out which mounts we need to fit in the cb. what kind of wiring. acc. tunning. ect we are a long long way from ever having any thing cooler than a H23 VTEC in our cars. ---in shame.

I have to diagree with owe b/c you can find wreck acuras. those engines arnt in HIGH demand. I mean shoot accord are packing K's. . hondata+bolt ons^nitrous power= 300hp for sure. my $00.0duece

[d112crzy]

I totally agree. The H22 is a smart choice for a mild swap. The K series has a brighter future, but in stock form isn't significantly better than the H22.

After doing some research on tuning k series, it's not such a bright future. Unless you're rolling in dough and have the money to get it done, especially if you're gona do mods that require tuning.

I-vtec is difficult to tune and looks like a COMPLETE pain in the ass.

I've been wanting to buy a obd1 hatch and swap a k series into it, but after all my searching, I doubt that will ever happen. It's WAY out of my price range(I could actually do the swap myself, the tuning is what kills) and there aren't programs that can tune i-vtec to it's best yet.

It's definitely something even a great DIY'er wouldn't be able to do.

Stick to the H swap and spend your money building that.

[trah]

I already have custom motor mounts that fit into the CB what i did was used our oem mounts and compared it to the k24 motor mounts and calculated the distance apart from firewall to rad support and then took the driver mount to our passenger mount and cutted and welded i dunno if the metal should sustain it from aggressive driving just took some 8 gauge metal and welded it on not that difficult but my mounts look kinda crooked. I will post picks up later with the mounts on the cb before the h22 swap since I was going to try to custom build the K24 into the cb chasis I had a K24 but sold it since I sold the civic. now to look for another K24 since I will do this once again. I have a K20 frommy buddy shop but we'll see good luck all with the 1k hasport mounts rofl and engine management use Kpro from hondata even if you got the oem ecu working it wont work right...

[Dom]

i work valet.. i gotta park cars at 5th floor. i drove the accord 05. and gun it. it feeels pretty good but the distance i had wasnt much. but one guy came with a lancer evo MR has carbon fiber front lip and some sorta wing in the roof by the back window. has turbo and he add a boost gauges on the steering wheel column and uhh.. 2 greedy lil box by the cupholder. 5 speed .. sound very nice.. i gun the bitch in the parkin lot lol. raw... =) but the one that really pulls that i feel satisfy with is a lexus. so fuckin quiet and quick. jeez.

i fucking hate people like you. burn bitch!

[OwninUSince1902]

A J series in the CB7 would be absolutely sick... The added weight would probably be an issue for anyone who wants handling, though.

Just got word back.

The J30A1 weighs about 400lbs.

Coincidentally, so does the H22.

I got a shipping estimate, which most likely included the crate.

So, one could logically deduce that the difference between the two is less than 50lbs, although I bet it is within 30.

Leave the accessories off, and the J Accord would weigh less than a fully loaded H22 Accord.

Use a Carbon fiber hood, and they would be really close.

I believe the J30A4/A5 are a little lighter still because they have no exhaust manifolds per se, and the IM is made of magnesium.

The J35 and the J32 both weigh within a few pounds of a J30.

So you could conceivably have a 6 speed CB7 with 300HP and an LSD, without making 1 single thing not OEM Honda.

Of course if you open it up exhaust and intake wise, with the J35 in the RL or TL-S, you could be looking at close to 300WHP with bolt ons

The stock TL-S dynos between 250-260WHP.

apperently it doesnt weight that much more

[wed3k]

meh, id rather have a K24 swap with ITB's sticking at you when you open the hood.

[almostJDM]

id want either a K20A euro R or a J in my cb muhahha