K Series Hasport Mounts Inquiry

[clarksterdotcom]

i do see a LOT of this on cb7tuner.com, (not applying to fizzbob) but people talking down on other cars, other hondas, and other motors produced by hondas, even STEVE, (accordtunerx) mentioned this earlier in another thread, but in general its WRONG to compare diff motors maily because CB7's are the bigger Hondas, THUS the need for bigger motors, so obviously in your chasis it wouldnt be practical to drop in a B-16, and yes B16's dont make as much power because they're not meant for this chassis application. No grudge against anyone, but i'm the only one who decides to mention this as i feel many members on this board are biased and very narrow minded when it comes to other models, make, even other hondas. Jus a thought.

i am a die hard hondaphile. i actually love other hondas as well...only reason i show so much faith to cbs is the swap ease. my dream right now is to have my motor(once pulled out) thrown in a 3rd gen accord and turbod..but i have to wait for $$$ i myself am not a big fan of the k20 series but i like the way the k24 gets the fluids moving.

i feel the k series was a great update for the b series but as far as h replacement i think the jurys still out.

[WiKKeDV16]

I'm ready to buy the mount kit as soon as it's released for the 2002-2004 K20A-R engine/tranny. The Only thing keeping me from doing this swap is engine management. Although I'm well versed and and have experiance in tunning hondata's K-Pro I'm not completely happy with it. But maybe within another year (which is when I expect the mounts to be out if ever) the K-Pro K-Manager software will be upgraded and improved.

i havent looked into it much which is why im asking u.. is Guardian just for boosted application???
seeing as how guardian adjusts air fuel ratio's by itself...

[BustedLX]

The Gaurdian is Cybernation's engine management solution for boosted RSX's. As crude as it may sound it's basically a unadjustable V-AFC hack. It does do the job though but you can't reach the engines full potential with it.

Anyone who says that the K-series engine isn't a viable replacement to the B/H series engine is either ignorant or just ignoring the winds of change. The K-Series is designed with almost 20 years of engineering evolution. Those engines are for lack of a better word amazing. Truely works of art. If you had ever worked on one you'd understant.

The B-Series will probably always be around, It's a fantastic engine that has proven itself time and time again. That engine can make real power that's a fact.

The K-Series though has an even higher potential in power and reliability it will just take time for the majority of companies to catch up and really sink their teeth into it. Remember everyone is used to working with an engine designed in the late 80's. Change will take time but it's inevitable.

As for the H.... well lets face it, It's Honda's forgotten red headed step child. It's a great engine but lack of aftermarket support has always held it back. Plus with all the work it takes to drop it into the Civic/Integra's no one wants to do it if they can reach their goals with the much easier B-series swap.

What is the better engine? In my opinion the K obviously because of it's engineering supriority. Between the H and B.... well that all depends on the application and goal. Both are excellent engines you just have to choose wisely.

[WiKKeDV16]

yeah.. my buddy has a rsx-s and when he added K-pro.. and i rode in it.. i swear he added cams/h/e when he just had a cai and k-pro.. pretty amazing mach33n..

[clarksterdotcom]

Anyone who says that the K-series engine isn't a viable replacement to the B/H series engine is either ignorant or just ignoring the winds of change. The K-Series is designed with almost 20 years of engineering evolution. Those engines are for lack of a better word amazing. Truely works of art. If you had ever worked on one you'd understant.

The K-Series though has an even higher potential in power and reliability it will just take time for the majority of companies to catch up and really sink their teeth into it. Remember everyone is used to working with an engine designed in the late 80's. Change will take time but it's inevitable.

As for the H.... well lets face it, It's Honda's forgotten red headed step child. It's a great engine but lack of aftermarket support has always held it back. Plus with all the work it takes to drop it into the Civic/Integra's no one wants to do it if they can reach their goals with the much easier B-series swap.

What is the better engine? In my opinion the K obviously because of it's engineering supriority. Between the H and B.... well that all depends on the application and goal. Both are excellent engines you just have to choose wisely.

Yes, I have not worked on a lot of K series motors, so my opinion is biased. I have a very limited experience with K motors and I am a bit reluctant to change.

Again, I whole heartedly agree that the H is the bastard child of honda performence motors. I will give you half points on the civics/integras swapping H's in, since Hasport and other companies (HCP..etc.) made mounts for this swap people jumped the bandwagon. With tranny adaptors coming out more and more people are coupling H motors with B series trannies and making H's a popular option again.

Being out here in Arkansas(NWA) my oppurtunities to see K motors and leading edge technology is very limited. I will admit again that i am very biased and will just continue for now with my H22 allmotor build up.

[FDAccord]

I guess we really needed a k series discussion.. theres a lot of knowledge going around.

[deevergote]

i do see a LOT of this on cb7tuner.com, (not applying to fizzbob) but people talking down on other cars, other hondas, and other motors produced by hondas...

I hear you man... I've noticed it too. I understand CB7 pride, but some people really DO take it too far. Honestly, from being a moderator here, who's job consists of putting out fires started by the hotheaded members here (especially in the racing forum) I've learned a few things. I was NEVER a Chevy Cavalier fan until WE started picking on the Cavi guys and they came here to defend themselves. I've learned to respect the cars.

Basically, everything has potential. The K series is a great design with lots of new technology. The B and H series are proven. The domestic performance engines have been around for well over 40 years, and they are quite proven!

People need to learn the difference between preference/opinion and fact.

[BustedLX]

Again, I whole heartedly agree that the H is the bastard child of honda performence motors. I will give you half points on the civics/integras swapping H's in, since Hasport and other companies (HCP..etc.) made mounts for this swap people jumped the bandwagon. With tranny adaptors coming out more and more people are coupling H motors with B series trannies and making H's a popular option again.

You always have to remember that cost is the number one factor and when it comes to droping an H into a civic/teg the cost goes up considerably aswell as the work load. People just don't want to bother spending that much money on a heavier engine that cost so much more to build when B-series parts are so cheap and easy to come by.

In the wide Honda tuning picture the H is basically done. It has it's place but it's place is small. Let's face it not many people are choosing the heavier chassis/engine combo to go racing in. Yeah there's some of us out there that keep the dream alive and keep impressing people but we are limited in numbers.

The B series for now is and remains King. The K however is the aire to the thrown.

[starchland]

wow there is some really good information and points here by people who know what they are talking about, makes for excellent reading, keep it up guys

[deevergote]

Face it guys... we drive Accords. Heavy cars that aren't tuned for racing in any way. The aftermarket knows this, and they don't make all that much to REALLY turn these cars into race cars. How many of us are really looking to race anyway?

The H22 has always been the heavy Honda powerhouse... The Claymore of the Honda world. Fantastically powerful, but too heavy to be practical. It's a drag-race-only motor for Civics and Tegs, stock for a Prelude, and a nice kick in the pants for an Accord. The B series are excelent motors. Not good for our purposes, but when put into smaller cars they're quite nice. A stock B18C5 in a full-interior Civic and a stock H22 Type S in a full-interior Accord would pretty much produce a driver's race.

For an all-out race car, the Accord is a bad choice. Even the professionally built Accords of the Japanese companies (Spoon) aren't all that strong compared to the other cars in the lineup. The Accord isn't meant for that. If you want an impressive RACE car, go with something ligher. If you want an impressive ACCORD, then the CB7 is the best choice, IMBO (that's 'in my biased opinion' ).

[pr3dSi]

Face it guys... we drive Accords. Heavy cars that aren't tuned for racing in any way. The aftermarket knows this, and they don't make all that much to REALLY turn these cars into race cars. How many of us are really looking to race anyway?

The H22 has always been the heavy Honda powerhouse... The Claymore of the Honda world. Fantastically powerful, but too heavy to be practical. It's a drag-race-only motor for Civics and Tegs, stock for a Prelude, and a nice kick in the pants for an Accord. The B series are excelent motors. Not good for our purposes, but when put into smaller cars they're quite nice. A stock B18C5 in a full-interior Civic and a stock H22 Type S in a full-interior Accord would pretty much produce a driver's race.

For an all-out race car, the Accord is a bad choice. Even the professionally built Accords of the Japanese companies (Spoon) aren't all that strong compared to the other cars in the lineup. The Accord isn't meant for that. If you want an impressive RACE car, go with something ligher. If you want an impressive ACCORD, then the CB7 is the best choice, IMBO (that's 'in my biased opinion' ).

wow, well said, you've said something cb7 owner's will never admit to, not even in their graves. But i do like the new TSX's or the new accords over in jap and euro's and they prove themselves on the tracks time and time again...

[deevergote]

They're still family cars...

I mean, we CAN make impressive machines out of the CB7. 2point6 is a great example of that. He owns his own shop, has all the knowledge and facilities to build a monster car, and what does he continue to improve? His family car.

My reasons for loving my CB7 are well rounded. It's reliable, no matter WHAT I do to it The design is just strong, and very forgiving (I was driving around with a broken camber kit for a couple weeks...). The H22 is a great mild motor in stock-ish form. I still get 25mpg even when I drive 85 and hit VTEC daily. There is a decent aftermarket, if not strong. The car is still capable of carrying whatever I want to carry... It's helped me and my friends move a couple times, and it was never just a people-carrier. Although it holds 5 people decently. With my mild suspension mods, I can take corners fast enough for street driving. I couldn't keep up on a professional road race course, but on the road I'm happy with it.

The CB7 is the perfect street machine. Not the ONLY perfect street machine, but it's definitely among that class. It's not a race car, but it's no longer a grocery getter either! (the milk always falls on top of the eggs when I whip around turns... not good)

[Nocturnal CB7]

i'll take my h22a any day of the week.....i just don't like the newer shit......i like the cars and motors made in the mid 80's to the mid 90's.........and the h22a prices ARE down......compare the b18c prices to the h22a prices......h22a is more powerful and costs about half

PREECH ON! i love the mid 90 styles on alotta cars. PPL say you might as well get a different faster car...... i sed HA...... thats why i get props for my originality....unlike your civic.......BIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTCHHHHH.... haha... cb7's BABY!

[pr3dSi]

PREECH ON! i love the mid 90 styles on alotta cars. PPL say you might as well get a different faster car...... i sed HA...... thats why i get props for my originality....unlike your civic.......BIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTCHHHHH.... haha... cb7's BABY!

no offense or not picking on you specifically, BUT please thoroughly read all posts and the entire thread, this thread isnt just about CB7's....

[deevergote]

Very true... That kinda supports the argument that the board is becoming rather close-minded when it comes to other cars!