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    f23a1 swap into cb7

    So im swapping a f23a1 into my 92 ex cb7. I have not started the swap yet, but I've been doing research and have come up empty. So im have a few questions about the swap.
    Can I use the a6 dizzy?
    and should I run my p28 or the f22b1 ecu which I have access to the p28is un modded .

    Thank you d for the input on the last post I hope this one is better.
    LP

    So I am useing the a6 dizzy
    You will need f22b1 intake manny ,the f23a1 manny will not work due to the iacv its a4 pin and the bolt holes are differant
    I will be useing the poa ecu ,supposedly you need to swap pins a6 and a11(not sure)
    Trying to figure out what pins are vtec and oil pressure
    Also the powersteering pump won't work so you will have to bypass it
    Poa ecu
    A4=vtec sol,grn/yel
    A6=o2 heater ,orng/blk
    A11=egr sol ,red
    D6=vtec press switch ,blu/blk
    I can't find anything on the a6 and a11 pin swap
    Last edited by lowprofile; 04-15-2012, 09:26 PM. Reason: update
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    #2
    hate to break it to you bro, but the f23a1s are reaaaaaally weak compared to a f22a6....My cb has an a6 and I in my CG I have a f23, the cb is waaay faster and it has a higher rev limiter


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      #3
      Originally posted by keepinitclean View Post
      hate to break it to you bro, but the f23a1s are reaaaaaally weak compared to a f22a6....My cb has an a6 and I in my CG I have a f23, the cb is waaay faster and it has a higher rev limiter
      Cg's heavier.Stock for stock id say a F23A1 in a cb vs a A6 theA1 would take it.But the F22A head has much more potential .

      To the op when i had my ol B1 set up i was using the stock dizzy from the F22a so it should work.PoA should run it fine a P28's fuel map isn't close to the F's it would have to be chipped with the proper fuel map.
      Last edited by SOHC-FTW; 09-17-2011, 12:39 AM.

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        #4
        definatley in a CB it would run a shorter time, but yeah, I can totally out run a 6th gen


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          #5
          No way man my 98 would spank my 92 but it had intake and exhaust.
          How about pinouts, from what I understand the b1 and a6 are the same accept for vtec wire? . But since I can't find any info on it im reluctant to trust that.

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            #6
            my 98 accord is faster than my 91. not by much though. i thought my 91 would be faster.

            got to remember the way the motors make power. the f22xx has a lot of low end, but the power dies off around 5k. the f23 motor keeps making power up high due to vtec. later.
            Avoiding dirt at all costs

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              #7
              Heres all the info you should need.A little research goes along ways......Yes you will need to pin for vtec(like the ecu i pm'd you about).

              http://cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.p...ighlight=F22b1

              02 Crv
              02 silverado Ex cab Z71, 2011 TRD 17" wheels, 245/80/17, ls1 cam, AFE intake, 3" catback, tuned by Larry at LSXperformance&pcm tuning driven daily.
              92 Acura Legend colbalt blue LS Coupe, custom intake, custom vibrant 2.5 cat back, led cluster and high beams, 2016 Coyote GT 18x8 wheels 235/40/18.
              Coming Soon Tein TSX coilovers.

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                #8
                I have a CAI on my CB....when the vtec kicks on the 6th gen can goooo, but it can take a while the Auto tranny on the CB is a lot nicer than the CG auto tranny The die off is 5k for a CB, but the CG dies off at 5K too, The gears are just reaaaallly long on it


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                  #9
                  Originally posted by keepinitclean View Post
                  I have a CAI on my CB....when the vtec kicks on the 6th gen can goooo, but it can take a while the Auto tranny on the CB is a lot nicer than the CG auto tranny The die off is 5k for a CB, but the CG dies off at 5K too, The gears are just reaaaallly long on it
                  Their all long CB an accord's period was made for daily driven.Want to be quicker?get an H trans or heavily mod it.After i built my B1 in my cb (More than just bolt ons) my 0-70 went from 10.5-11 down to 8-8.5 an it was auto untuned with no vtawk.Still not quick, but a big improvement my plan was to get a lvl1 tq converter an a h23 trans never happen hints no vtec aka low oil psi.

                  02 Crv
                  02 silverado Ex cab Z71, 2011 TRD 17" wheels, 245/80/17, ls1 cam, AFE intake, 3" catback, tuned by Larry at LSXperformance&pcm tuning driven daily.
                  92 Acura Legend colbalt blue LS Coupe, custom intake, custom vibrant 2.5 cat back, led cluster and high beams, 2016 Coyote GT 18x8 wheels 235/40/18.
                  Coming Soon Tein TSX coilovers.

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                    #10
                    Im not sure what's so different about my car(the 98) but it didn't really have any power until 4500 then it was on like donkey kong, but the tranny took a crap and now im scrapping it and swapping the motor into my cb. I pretty much rebuilt it short of rings and bearings . So it should be fairly healthy 130xxx mi on the motor. Im just worried the pow is gonna cost me power? .

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by lowprofile View Post
                      Im not sure what's so different about my car(the 98) but it didn't really have any power until 4500 then it was on like donkey kong, but the tranny took a crap and now im scrapping it and swapping the motor into my cb. I pretty much rebuilt it short of rings and bearings . So it should be fairly healthy 130xxx mi on the motor. Im just worried the pow is gonna cost me power? .
                      If it does it will be minimum.If your that concerned with power a P0A will hold you over until you can get the p28 atleast basemaped or street tuned your looking at minimal gains from a street tune or dyno tune on a bolt on engine basically not worth it unless you can get a street tune done for free or less than $100 your usually dyno tune is $250-400 for N/A applications(Cam,full bolt ons,port work etc then it would be worth the dyno tune).I'd rather be safe on a P0A then take the chance of damaging the engine on the stock p28 which is out of a 92-95 d16z6 equiped eg/del sol.

                      02 Crv
                      02 silverado Ex cab Z71, 2011 TRD 17" wheels, 245/80/17, ls1 cam, AFE intake, 3" catback, tuned by Larry at LSXperformance&pcm tuning driven daily.
                      92 Acura Legend colbalt blue LS Coupe, custom intake, custom vibrant 2.5 cat back, led cluster and high beams, 2016 Coyote GT 18x8 wheels 235/40/18.
                      Coming Soon Tein TSX coilovers.

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                        #12
                        Im not looking to have a race car. I just want something a little quicker than before. But I appreciate all of your guys help, it was much needed. I missed this place and even deevergote giving me a hard time lol

                        But I think it will be a significant improvement. My cb was bone stock , accept upgraded air filter and fart can.
                        the new setup will have,a cal,dc header 4-2-1 and full exhaust. Ill try to get some pics up of why im swapping it to the a1

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                          #13
                          For the few extra hp that you'd get from the F23, a couple simple mods to the F22A would get you there... and more.

                          But anyway, unless you convert the car to OBD2, you will never find an ECU that will run the F23A1 properly. The P0A (F22B1) ECU will be close, but not really right. It'd be like running an H23A on a PT6. The P28 can be chipped and tuned (PLEASE don't try to run a stock ECU for a 1.6L on a 2.3L!) However, no amateur tune, no matter how good it is, will compare to a stock tune.

                          So for those reasons, I'm positive that your F23A1 won't be quite as good in a CB as it is in a CG.



                          You can get F23A1 power from an A1 with a cheapie header, H23 intake manifold, and an A6 camshaft.






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                            #14
                            Its not all about hp its also about gearing. The cg's have really long gears. Our cb's have shorter gears so we can be faster with less hp.
                            Bottom line is the f23 has more hp.but its more work. I am going to do a F23 swap but it will be fast because I will have a h23 trans.
                            Last edited by thepowderblue; 09-17-2011, 12:17 PM.
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                              #15
                              Gearing and powerband are related as well. If the gear spacing doesn't go well with the engine's powerband, you could find yourself shifting into a dead spot...

                              For reference, Accord gear ratios:
                              http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2882427






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