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    Help prove a point!!!!

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    I am new to the import modification world and recommended to visit your site. I've already build a 5.0L Mustang w/ nitrous(11.64@131mph). But after a few smart ass words from some buddies at the track I'm now interested in a new project car. A V8 is easy to make fast, however I'm impressed w/ the power you all are getting out of motors half the size. So, I'm looking for ideas and I need all of your help. I need to prove a point to some Ford guys...PLEASE HELP!!!!!

    Donor Car: 1990 Honda Accord EX (F22A4 2.2L) Auto Trans.
    Goal: Want the car to appear stock(on the outside, they'll just have to wonder what's under the hood) and sound as quiet as possible, but I don't want it to run like a stock Accord.

    1) Can I rebuild the existing motor w/ the same tricks as a V8?(higher compression, valve machining, cam, etc...)
    2) Should I swap motors?(open to swaps that will drop right in)
    3) I've been told that it is possible to swap the existing motor for a Prelude motor with out changing wiring or engine mounts, is this true?
    4) Is nitrous a wise power adder for a Honda motor?
    Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall.
    Torque is how far you move the wall.
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    #2
    Oh boy man, have you opened up a can of worms.

    You've got more than one statement there that illicits tons of debate each around here...

    1. Not sure myself, but there number of folks here that can answer that.
    2 & 3. The H22A from a 93-96 Prelude Si is a very popular swap and one that generates the most bang for the buck. This thread: http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=8873 lists a few threads to read regarding swaps. Number 6 will take you to the motors.
    4. Yes, people use nitrous is a variety of applications around here.

    Good luck and have fun, some of the members on this site really know their stuff and just about all of us here are decent guys to deal with.

    There's a guy here called 2point6 that has a 12 second N/A Accord that's streetable.
    Bart: What's your name?
    Jim: Well, my name is Jim, but most people call me... Jim.

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      #3
      As far as motor swaps that drop right in you couldnt have picked a better platform. There are quite a few high horsepower motors available that will literally bolt right in. There is the ever populer H22a, H23 if you want DOHC Vtec = close to 200hp. Then there are many f series variables that also bolt right up and the best part is alot of parts are interchangable between the H and the F series motors along with the trannys. If you cruise around this site long wnough you will find everything you need to know about making a cb7 that owns all. As far as nitrous my personnal opinion is its cheap. You can take the F series block and with the right internal mods make it perfect for boosting. I believe there is a thread in her somehwere that has a 400+hp F series turboed. Also if you want to see some shit check out this guys car.
      http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthre...0957#post50957


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        #4
        Like Gray Car said, there are a variety of options for you to tune your accord. Since you are an experinced domestic man, you know all about project planning and budget setting. As you know, that is your first step. Tell us a little about your plans and ambitions for the build. Honda engines are very tuneable from a variety of angles. You can go N/A (A large financial investment will be needed) Forced Induction, or Nitrous.

        If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. My company is currently designing a host of performance parts for the CB7, so our knowledge of its inner workings is quite vast.

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          #5
          You seem like your looking for 11-13 second time slips.

          1) Yes you can use the same tricks of higher compression and headwork. Cams will DEFINATELY play a part in the power the motor has as the overlap is essential to master for good power

          2)Our best all-motor car is a h22a (the japanese prelude motor) putting down 250whp and 180 ft/lbs. of tq. He ran a 12.9 i believe on slicks with full interior. We also have a sleeved and boosted h22 that put out 414whp but no track times yet.

          3) The h22 motor drops right in. But theres a couple of tricks to get her running right. There are full manuals on this site and plenty of threads concerning any problems that u may have in the installation.

          4) Adding nitrous is the cheapest and best way to add power as u may know. It can certainly be added to stock honda motors up to 100 shots with proper tuning and usually 50-65 even with no tuning.

          My suggestions are strip the car as much as possible, definately get slicks and possibly axles, swap to a 5-speed tranny as there isn't much out there for our auto tranny community.

          Both the f-series and h-series engines are more than capable is getting u into the 11's-12's its just it hasn't been done many times

          I would say boost it but u mentioned not wanting a total sleeper and a front mount intercooler would certainly kill that unless you black it out or use an air-to-water intercooler
          Knowledge is power...in EVERY sense of the word

          FSAE (F Series Accord Enthusiasts) ..."A dying breed thats taking it to the next level" #12

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            #6
            You guys are great and appreciate all the input.. Seems like a excellent site. Please excuse my lack of knowledge in the Honda department.The donor car is my wife's old car, I gotta tell you all I've ever had to do was change the oil, plugs and tires. The damn thing won't stop going @ 200k and counting. The car is mint paint and interior.(leather, sunroof, etc..) I guess more details about my goals would explain where I'm going w/ this car.

            -The car must appear stock, other than very mild drop and wheels.(I think the EX models have a clean look.)
            -retain the auto trans(let me know if I'm crazy on this one!!!)
            -car must be streetable, even daily at times(I want alot of BMW/Ford owners scratching there heads...hehehe)
            -low 13's will prove the point(w/ slicks if needed)
            -must run on pump gas
            -nitrous will be the power adder of choice(exprienced with it already)

            1) Does the wiring harness have to be swapped w/ the engine or just the ECU?
            Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall.
            Torque is how far you move the wall.

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              #7
              just the ecu needs to be swapped

              i'm gonna say swap in the h22 cause it already comes with 10.5:1 compression and some of the trannies come with an LSD (posi traction in domestic terms), you can get the jdm prelude type S pistons and raise the compression to 11:1. Intake, header, exhaust, chipped ecu with nitrous program, cam, and 75-100hp shot. All that with slicks and axles might even get u into the 12's and it'll be VERY streetable and capable of daily driving on pump gas...that was almost too easy to suggest actually lol
              Knowledge is power...in EVERY sense of the word

              FSAE (F Series Accord Enthusiasts) ..."A dying breed thats taking it to the next level" #12

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                #8
                Welcome aboard! Be sure to check out this guy's profile for some inspiration: http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=1296

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                  #9
                  two things drop in an h22 auto with LSD, and im sure you are good at tuning(you said you were an expert at nitrous) and prep it good for a 100shot

                  easy 13s right there..

                  or there is a person over at www.accordinglydone.com who has a boosted F22b runing a 14.1 with out slicks on stock motor..

                  or you can swap in an h23 or jdm f22b dohc(cheap swap less than 800 bones) and turbo it. but then again you might need to convert to 5spd... that auto tranny has alot of miles on it...
                  H22 Prelude VTEC 92-96 200 161 10.6:1 87 90 DOHC VTEC 2157 JDM

                  190.3whp 155 wtq - with bolt ons, and a dc header

                  ET=14.457 @ 94mph w/ 2.173 60Fter

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                    #10
                    I reccomend swaping in a h22/ 5speed conversion and with an intake/exaust/header,cams chipped ecu, and 50 shot = 12sec quater miles

                    I know cuz thats what i'm runnin

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