How the hell you guys deal with Coilovers??

[gloryaccordy]

Ground controls ride like ass.

Skunk2's ride like ass.

BOMZ ride like ass.

Omnipower definitely ride like ass. If I paid that much for a suspension that rode that bad, I would go out and shoot myself in the head. They are good for a track, and that is it. If it isn't smooth as butter, they are crap on the street.

The only suspension I would pay money for on a street car is Neuspeed with good shocks.

And it is proof that with regard to DD and street use you don't always get what you pay for. The Neuspeed Race springs on good struts will handle very close to what the Omnipowers can do, only they will ride good and will be slammed.

Oh, yeah, I can put good struts and Neuspeed springs together for almost 1/2 the cost of Omnipowers.

How can GC's ride like ass...if you have Konis, don't they pick the same rates as Neuspeed Races, or close to them?

And I've ridden in an Accord with Omnis...they were slightly underdamped and a little bouncy, but definitely better than Ebay sleeves.

What do you consider good struts for Neuspeed Races? I say Illuminas or better.

[Gemini]

How can GC's ride like ass...if you have Konis, don't they pick the same rates as Neuspeed Races, or close to them?

And I've ridden in an Accord with Omnis...they were slightly underdamped and a little bouncy, but definitely better than Ebay sleeves.

What do you consider good struts for Neuspeed Races? I say Illuminas or better.

For the price of Omnis they shouldnt even be compared to egay coilovers....If this is true...and i trust Owequitit....I would be mad if I bought Omnis and the ride like ass. I think I'm gonna get the supercup kit from koni since it will give good ride for Daily Driving and the low dropped look I want.

[Dv8]

I have Gab dampers with some stiff ass springs in my Skyline. Quite a stiff ride, but no bounce what so ever. They ride and handle VERY well. But, they are more of a touring spec. damper. Just not stiff enough for me. Tein Flex coming soon

[pwrusr]

I have Koni Yellows and Ground control coilovers. VERY nice setup overall so long as I don't go into the city (aka craterville). The city brings out the worst in a stiff suspension setup. the koni/GC setup is great for highway but OK for city driving so long as you know how to dodge potholes

I think the best overall setup would be the neuspeed race or eibach sportlines leaving the konis on the perch setting that they came with.

[lokuputha]

I guess if you live in an area with a less than smooth roads...best to go with softer springs and higher rate dampers...then compensate for the lower spring rates with some sway bars...

unfortunately, "performance" suspension system doesn't really mean they will perform well in daily driving......dang...I wish I lived on a race track.

[Gemini]

oK......everyone has made very good points but what is the top 3 setups would guys say will be best for city daily driving with not so smooth and will also give quite a low drop (1 - 1.5 finger gap all around)?

[owequitit]

How can GC's ride like ass...if you have Konis, don't they pick the same rates as Neuspeed Races, or close to them?

And I've ridden in an Accord with Omnis...they were slightly underdamped and a little bouncy, but definitely better than Ebay sleeves.

What do you consider good struts for Neuspeed Races? I say Illuminas or better.

GC isn't progressive rate. Even compared to most other progressive rate springs, Neuspeed is MUCH more progressive.

Honestly, H&R sports ride relatively rough in comparison. They aren't bad, but they don't deal with small bumps as well.

Most people underestimate the advantages of a progressive rate spring.

90% of what makes a car feel bouncy and harsh are the little bumps in the road that you encounter.

The nice thing about a progressive rate vs a linear rate, is that it allows the spring to filter out most of the little bumps you encounter because it is so soft for the first bit of travel.

Then as you get to bigger and bigger displacements, the spring gets stiffer accordingly.

When you hit BIG bumps or undulations in the road, you feel a difference in firmness over an OEM spring, but since you are not bothered by the 8,000,000,000 other small bumps on a daily basis, it isn't hard to live with.

I have noticed with my car, it doesn't start to get stiff until after an inch or more of compression. Even then, because of the progressive nature of the spring, it gets firmer more softly, as opposed to a sudden THWACK!, because the spring is so progressive. So it is firmer on big bumps, but not annoyingly so.

As far as Omnipower, I have dealt with both these and EBAY coilovers. They ride about the same. For the cost I would get EBAY.

Why spend more when you can get the same thing for less?

Like I said, the Omnipowers would probably be great for smooth track. But they suck for a DD. We had Ray's adjusted as soft as they would go, and up higher than my Neuspeed sports, and it STILL rode like ass.

Stuff that would litterally hurt my back in his car, you could barely feel in mine. My car is heavier.

And yes, they were adjusted correctly, because we followed Omnipower's instructions.

My EG hatch with EBAY coilovers actually rode BETTER.

As for struts with the Neuspeeds, honestly, Tockico blues work superbly.

I would also feel perfectly comfortable running OEM struts with the Neuspeed Sports. I did that for awhile until I got my Illuminas. I almost wish I would have just gotten new OEM struts.

Why? With Neuspeed Sports and good (i.e. not blown) OEM struts, you will actually get a BETTER THAN STOCK ride quality.

I don't have any complaints about the Illuminas, but they don't have a setting that fits the springs quite as well as Tokico Blue/OEM.

The Tokico Illuminas are nice because they are adjustable, but the damping curve of the blues is right between setting 1 and 2 on the Illuminas, so they will either be a little softer, or firmer.

The blues' curve is pretty much perfect for Race or Sport, and honestly, with blues, you pretty much don't lose ANY ride quality, and they still handle awesome. They also don't feel underdamped, at least not under any conditions that I have found.

I have ridden on most of the suspension combinations for CB's and CD's and I wouldn't pay for anything other than Neuspeed.

Just my .02. They give great handling with almost no tradeoff.

There are options on the struts. I like Tokico, but I haven't heard anything bad about KONI or Bilstein either. KYB = the doo doo.

KYB + Neuspeed race springs = nothing special

Tokico Blue + Neuspeed race springs= slightly firmer than stock ride, slammed on the ground to the point the car sparked going down it.

If I were to get Koni's, I would get the Neuspeed specific ones, as they were designed specially for Neuspeed.

Keep in mind too, that with Neuspeed Race you MUST cut the bumpstops. The number one complaint about Neuspeed Race is they are "bouncy."

99% of these people didn't cut their bumpstops.

The springs aren't bouncy, the bumpstops are. If you don't cut them, you get about 3/8" of suspension travel, and thus spend a lot of time on the bumpstops.

If you want coilovers, fine. I could care less because it doesn't effect me at all.

You can buy them for the great handling. You can buy them because they are cheap.

But they DO NOT ride nice.

I haven't tried the Kteller or TEIN yet, so I have no judgement on them.

[owequitit]

I guess if you live in an area with a less than smooth roads...best to go with softer springs and higher rate dampers...then compensate for the lower spring rates with some sway bars...

unfortunately, "performance" suspension system doesn't really mean they will perform well in daily driving......dang...I wish I lived on a race track.

I have no issues with speedbumps or potholes. My only concern is ground clearance...

AZ has some of the smoothest roads in the Union and coilovers still suck.

Besides, like pwruser said, maybe not the best for the city.

What good is a car that you have purchased to drive if you are limited to not taking it into the city?

It doesn't make any sense to me to have a car that you can't drive because it rides crappy, when the purpose of the car is to be driven.

Think about it this way:

If you bias your car towards a track and then drive it everyday. Which do you spend more time doing? Dodging potholes, or recording lap times?

[Gemini]

Damn...thats alot of good info there buddy. I havent cut or removed my bumstops, should I cut them? If so, how much? Should I removed them? Is this is done would remove of the stiff/bounciness on these dropzones?

[owequitit]

Damn...thats alot of good info there buddy. I havent cut or removed my bumstops, should I cut them? If so, how much? Should I removed them? Is this is done would remove of the stiff/bounciness on these dropzones?

It might help a little. With coilovers I wouldn't hold my breathe though.

Especially with the kind you have.

You can try to cut about 2-2.5 donuts off of the bumpstop and see what happens. Cut from the end that the shock runs into, not from the base end.

[lokuputha]

Which do you spend more time doing? Dodging potholes, or recording lap times?

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[Gemini]

It might help a little. With coilovers I wouldn't hold my breathe though.

Especially with the kind you have.

You can try to cut about 2-2.5 donuts off of the bumpstop and see what happens. Cut from the end that the shock runs into, not from the base end.

which end are you referrin to ?

[pwrusr]

the end that's closest to the shock in the pic

[Gemini]

the end that's closest to the shock in the pic

thanx

[NAiL05]

Omnipowers shouldnt be discontinued on our cars. I have checked ebay and they usually have a couple listings for them. I dont mine the stiff ride I actually like it plus handling is a plus. NOt many bumpy roads in TX so thats a benefit. The omnipower is a true coilover but they do sell the sleeve over kits. The GC and Koni Yellow were matched to each other. People on HT have given positive feedback on this setup. I havent ridden in one so I wouldnt be able to comment. As for omnis They feel good IMO.