I'm done being slammed

[owequitit]

I said I wouldn't post anymore, but I'll make this an exception.

The ITR and regular integras do not share the same suspension. They are very similar, but the ITR's suspension doesn't consist of slightly lower/stiffer springs.. If it did, then people would have no problem swapping the whole suspension. The NSX-R GT does not have the same suspension geometry as the ordinary NSX that you buy off the showroom floor. Completely different story.

Optional lowering kit does not mean the car will handle better or get you better times. Honda figured the majority of the car owners wont track their car so they offer those kits. On my car (not a cb7), I have the factory optional springs that lowers the car 1" all around. It feels like I'm going through the corners faster and I have better handling, but my friend with the same car (stock) can turn slightly better times than I can. OEM lowering kits are made for aesthetics, not for seriously handling.

We should leave this thread to die. The original poster posted this a year ago. Some people like the way they're car feels after lowering (like me), but a butt track is as good as a butt dyno . Maybe I have worded my statement wrong. Lowering the car *can* yield better results, but its the combination of springs rate, shock dampening, etc that makes up for the worse geometry. Its not because geometry/travel stayed the same. All I said was lowering the car will yield worse handling, which is true if you just lower. That's my point. Many people have the misconception that lowering alone will make the car perform better.

If you want, I can get you in reach with a real close buddy of mine. He works for Honda Corporate. He was in and out of japan a couple of times to help engineer the suspension for the S2000. I'm sure he is more qualified to talk about suspension than I am

Perhaps your friend is just a better driver.

And yes, you should get your buddy on here.

[Rootznation]

NEX full suspension. slammed and handling is great.

[owequitit]

I also forgot to mention what a HUGE effect tires have on overall handling.

The car can only achieve what the tires can achieve.

That means that if you get an HFP car with stock all season tires, then you aren't going to be looking at a huge increase in handling, because the tires are still the limiting factor.

Because of the fact that most STOCK Honda suspensions are limited by the tires, this would not change when lowered, if the stock tires are retained.

[kmart64]

on top of what owequitit said I would like to point out that the accord was not meant to be modded. I don't believe the original engineer had the intention in mind that an H22 could drop right in. That is why they had more luxurious feel rather than a sporty fell so they had the ride height higher so people would not have to worry about entering their driveway at an angle. They can just plow right in. Also having the car a little higher allows for older passengers to get out of the car easier. Just dropping a few plausible examples

[gloryaccordy]

GSTeg I'd agree with you if suspension geometry were the only deciding factor in how a car handled...

However... the lowered center of gravity, increased roll stiffness and stability far outweigh any possible geometry problems.

The setup I had when I made this thread were stock stiff coilovers on 13 year old shocks and worn tires... it had no choice but to handle like ass.

There's a thread in here about a project CB7 that they got to hit .98g on the skidpad. It was lowered... seems a lot better than stock...

[ilovemycb7]

Thank you owequitit for the the excellent examples and clarification. Not that I didn't want my car lowered anyway... try to convince me body roll and understeer is fun.

[Akira_kj]

I love my lowered car. It preforms better because its lower, but not just that, its lowered on preformance parts... thats the key. Why wouldnt preformance shops/companys sell preformance springs that DONT lower your car if it didnt help at all.

Think about it. Have you ever seen PREFORMANCE springs for cb7s that DIDNT lower the car? I know, Ive looked.

[wed3k]

I also forgot to mention what a HUGE effect tires have on overall handling.

The car can only achieve what the tires can achieve.

That means that if you get an HFP car with stock all season tires, then you aren't going to be looking at a huge increase in handling, because the tires are still the limiting factor.

Because of the fact that most STOCK Honda suspensions are limited by the tires, this would not change when lowered, if the stock tires are retained.

Quote for truth...tires are what keep you on the track rather than in the walls made of tires.

has anyone driven the new civics with potenzas on them? 140mph runs on the highway, hitting turns at double the speed limit. tis crazy my friends.

[lokuputha]

Book Series: Motorbooks Workshop
Title: High-Performance Handling Handbook
Author: Don Alexander
Published date: 2002
ISBN-13: 978-0-7603-0948-3
ISBN-10: 0-7603-0948-5




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