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**starchland** · 10-05-2005, 01:46 AM

Im running neuspeed sports with AGX. Ride is comfortable, while remaining sporty. I went with neuspeeds sports because of the excellent price and I dont have to worry about bottoming out, although im still overly cautious.

**deckeda** · 10-05-2005, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by 92wH22

... as far as comfort between the two ...

The shocks and struts, and how they might be adjusted, will influence the ride more than those two springs between each other.

**92wH22** · 10-05-2005, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by deckeda

The shocks and struts, and how they might be adjusted, will influence the ride more than those two springs between each other.

I understand this, hence the AGXs. But nonetheless, the spring rate will also be a factor as far as ride quality. I'd just like to know which one has a better ride between the H&Rs and the Neuspeeds.

**pwrusr** · 10-05-2005, 10:21 PM

From the sound of your prefrences you should be better off with sport springs. Race springs are stiffer, wile sport springs are softer. Most of that is obvious. Again I'd reccomend some sport springs.

*edit see the rate your suspension thread for more ideas on what to and not to use

http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=1003

**wed3k** · 10-05-2005, 10:59 PM

my race springs are pretty bumpy and i scrape everywhere...

**92wH22** · 10-05-2005, 11:09 PM

PWRUSR,

I figured that obviously the race where gonna be stiffer than the sport, but I had some H&R Race in a Supra I owned and they didn't ride all the bad with stock shocks and all. Just wondering what the ride was like in the Accord. I had also already read and heard that the Neuspeed race where quite stiff. So point being, I guess now I'm just debating between the H&R and Neuspeed Sport.

And I've gone through that thread you posted more times than you can imagine!

And Wed3k,

You've confirmed my decision on not going with the race springs

**owequitit** · 10-05-2005, 11:15 PM

In my experience, Neuspeed Sports ride a little better than H&R Sports due to the progressive rate of the Neuspeeds. The best I can determine from the H&R site is that their sports are linear rate.

The setups I have experienced them in are as follows:

Neuspeed Sport - 1991 Honda Accord LX 265,000 miles, OEM or OEM replacement shocks (they could have been Tokico Blues etc, but they were non-adjustable). The ride quality was better than my car at the time, and it had about 70,000 miles with a completely stock suspension, right down to the wheels and tires (I have an EX). Handled like a dream, with very little body roll and the ride height was perfect, but it still took small bumps and dips better than stock.

H&R Sports - Ray Ray's 1993 EX coupe. It currently has about 155-160K. He has the sports with a set of KYB AGX's and it rides about the same as stock (just a smidge firmer). The only time I have noticed any kind of ride penalty is when hitting a rolling undulation in the road at high speeds, like a smooth dip where the car goes down and the comes back up rather quickly. It has a much more forceful bound and rebound than stock, partly because of the extra damping of the shocks, the reduced compression travel, and partly because of the increased spring rate. It isn't painful or anything, but where the stock car would take x amount of time to dip and then slowly return to normal, Ray's setup dips and rebounds much much quicker. It is a good thing from a handling standpoint, but it is more harsh from a ride standpoint. His car too handles extremely well, I haven't driven this setup, but it seems to be about the same as the 4 door with Neuspeeds. You can definitely exceed sanity on a public road.

I never had the opportunity to take those kind of road imperfections with the Neuspeeds, so I can't say exactly how they would do, but based on around town up to about 70MPH the Neuspeeds get my vote.

**pwrusr** · 10-05-2005, 11:24 PM

92wH22,

The main reason I'm reccomending the sport springs is the fact that you won't be so low you're scraping everywhere you go. With the race springs you have more of a risk of scraping and denting stuff under the car.

**92wH22** · 10-05-2005, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by owequitit

In my experience, Neuspeed Sports ride a little better than H&R Sports due to the progressive rate of the Neuspeeds. The best I can determine from the H&R site is that their sports are linear rate.

The setups I have experienced them in are as follows:

Neuspeed Sport - 1991 Honda Accord LX 265,000 miles, OEM or OEM replacement shocks (they could have been Tokico Blues etc, but they were non-adjustable). The ride quality was better than my car at the time, and it had about 70,000 miles with a completely stock suspension, right down to the wheels and tires (I have an EX). Handled like a dream, with very little body roll and the ride height was perfect, but it still took small bumps and dips better than stock.

H&R Sports - Ray Ray's 1993 EX coupe. It currently has about 155-160K. He has the sports with a set of KYB AGX's and it rides about the same as stock (just a smidge firmer). The only time I have noticed any kind of ride penalty is when hitting a rolling undulation in the road at high speeds, like a smooth dip where the car goes down and the comes back up rather quickly. It has a much more forceful bound and rebound than stock, partly because of the extra damping of the shocks, the reduced compression travel, and partly because of the increased spring rate. It isn't painful or anything, but where the stock car would take x amount of time to dip and then slowly return to normal, Ray's setup dips and rebounds much much quicker. It is a good thing from a handling standpoint, but it is more harsh from a ride standpoint. His car too handles extremely well, I haven't driven this setup, but it seems to be about the same as the 4 door with Neuspeeds. You can definitely exceed sanity on a public road.

I never had the opportunity to take those kind of road imperfections with the Neuspeeds, so I can't say exactly how they would do, but based on around town up to about 70MPH the Neuspeeds get my vote.

Owequitit, you're the man! Damn, that's exactly the kind of info I'm looking for! Thanks!

I'm glad you brought up the undulation issue. Early this week, I hit one of these on the freeway with my current set-up (GCs w/ crap shocks) and I thought the windshiled was gonna crack from how bad that thing hit! It was after that experience that I decided to go with some sports. Although you did provide some excellent info, now I think it's even more difficult to decide! Is "Ray-Ray" a member on this board? Does he have any pictures up of his drop? Also, from you experience with both, which one has the lower drop?

And PWRUSR,

Thanks for the heads up on the scrapping. My other reason for not choosing the race springs.

**owequitit** · 10-05-2005, 11:45 PM

No problem,

Ray Ray is a member on here (that is his screen name).

You can find his Member's Rides thread here:

http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=18418

Trust me, we stand around and make fun of coil-overs all day long. I have yet to see a set of coilovers that isn't crap (I am talking about the slip-fit ones here, not the full coilovers like TEIN etc). These suck especially hard core with crap shocks, because there isn't proper motion control for the spring, and they are usually REALLY stiff. Plus many times the springs are too short, so when you go over a bump, the spring unseats and then comes crashing back down. Ground Controls don't seem to be too short, but they are stiff. I have a friend with Skunk 2 coilovers, and they suck too, so don't feel bad.

Based on the fact that is what you currently have, you won't be disappointed with either setup. I still recommend the Neuspeeds though (they lower the car pretty much identically to the H&Rs, so Ray's pics will give you an idea of what those look like too).

**92wH22** · 10-06-2005, 12:01 AM

Just checked out Ray-Ray's car and the drop isn't bad. A nice suttle drop. The only thing now is that I found a local spot that has the H&Rs for $139.00! Does anyone know of any vendors on here or h-t that has some good deals on the Neuspeed sports?

Thanks again, bro

**owequitit** · 10-06-2005, 12:45 AM

Keep in mind on the drop on Ray Ray's car, that he has 205/45-17 in the front and 215/45-17 in the rear, so the front is actually lower than it looks. The front wheel well gap would be just about the same as the rear gap if he had the same size tires on.

If you can find them locally and cheap, go for it. I can find Neuspeed Sports on ebay for $139.00, but you usually have to pay shipping. They also seem to be harder to locate. I ordered a set on EBAY awhile back, but they were on chronic backorder. Neuspeed actually just got them back in stock today (I had to call to see what was going on).

Just my opinion: I think it would be worth it to spend the little extra for the Neuspeeds, especially if you are going to keep them around long. Having said that, I guarantee you won't be disappointed with H&R either.

**starchland** · 10-06-2005, 11:31 AM

I remember when I was trying to decide on a spring, much like yourself now. It took me Months of comparing,etc, to pick the right spring, I went with the Neuspeed Sports because of all the good things I heard. You will not be disappointed with this spring, If your looking for a nice drop that maintains around town driveability while still being sporty for those twisty mountain roads, while not throwing your camber off completely. Generally, A lowering spring will make a compromise, I havent found any yet with this spring. They have my vote.

**92exrcoupe** · 10-06-2005, 07:22 PM

im on H&R sports with stock struts
its a little bouncy, but nothing too bad.
im rolling on 215/35/18
the drop is good, but id like the front to be a tab bit lower.
other then that i cant complain

cant comment on neuspeed

check out my drop on my members page
http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthre...ght=92exrcoupe

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