driving dumped - a counter-point

[GenDBlade]

Can we just all agree that modifying your suspension in anyway can be potentially hazardous. Lower to far and you compromise the integrity of your vehicles frame and run the risk of vehicular failure which could result in an accident. Raise it too much and you increase the roll-ability of the vehicle. Any person with any common sense who modifies their vehicle knows these things. It's the people who don't grasp these concepts that we have to worry about.

Imo, the only type of vehicles that should be driven on the road are ones that have been approved by the government for sale in that country, in the same condition that they were from the factory. Don't get me wrong, i love driving around in my lowered accord, but there are government regulations on vehicles for a reason, those mainly being the safety of you and others around you. Modifying your car or truck in anyway goes against that goal.

[HardInThePaint]

Imo, the only type of vehicles that should be driven on the road are ones that have been approved by the government for sale in that country, in the same condition that they were from the factory. Don't get me wrong, i love driving around in my lowered accord...

OK so basically you feel that only cars that are completely stock should be driving on the road yet you drive a lowered car? What kind of sense does that make?

[crazymikey]

There are to many variables to say a dumped car is stupid and dangerous, including but not limited to type of car, where the person lives, how the person drives, type of suspension. I drove my car daily pretty damn low, low enough to throw sparks over some bumps. But I haven't ground down anything important. Never broken anything other than fouling out my o2 sensor twice (that also goes for my past three minitrucks). But the argument can go both ways. Does your pickup truck really need to be 8ft high off the ground? It all comes down to personal opinion either way.

I agree completely. I was into minitrucks before I got into Hondas. I've had static dropped road scraping minitrucks, and I've had slammed Hondas.

Hell, I took 2nd place for lowest static drop at a national truck show in 2007 in my B2200.

Now, I'm not into the stance stuff at all, but I appreciate a vehicle that sits correctly, whether lowered or lifted. NOTHING looks good at stock height. Every vehicle needs an altitude adjustment to look just right, IMO.

I'm at the point now where I've got all the silly childish stuff out of my system. I no longer require a ground scraping daily driven vehicle.

Actually, the last straw for my slammed vehicles was my white coupe. Freshly slammed on F&F's, I put a camber kit on the front and the UCA's kept hitting the inner fender and bottoming out. I was losing travel, and the car rode like shit. I ended up scraping my exhaust and cracking it. It felt like everything I did with the suspension on that car caused more work elsewhere on the vehicle. Alignments, frame damage, exhaust damage, wrecking front lips, damaging inner fenders, having to buy new parts to offset the last new part I just bought etc. It got tiring. I got fed up. Now I drive a cushy new car, with no plans for suspension mods.

I'm tired of the bouncy, choppy ride (Civic's stock suspension gives me enough of that as it is) from lowered vehicles.

I'll gladly build another slammed minitruck...but it's not a DD. It'll be a toy. You can't comfortably and safely drive something that is inches off the ground.

Sometimes you look like as much of a douche as much as you think you look cool.

[mercyboy]

depends on people style....we have rules now here where im living...body cannot be lower than the lower rim. half the cars had to be leveled or almost slammed..cause once you get that vehicle inspection your fcuked

[bassrock234]

there are rules like that almost everywhere. There is a height law where I live as well, but since we don't have any type of inspection or testing (for stuff newer than like 40 years old anyway), it's almost never enforced.

[HappyGilmore]

I will you credit there. I've seen, and know, people who lower their cars right. There are people who know the true in's and out's of suspension.

It's just another form of modding. Some people are absolutely fine with Ebay and knock-off parts. Others prefer to spend the extra money and buy legit, OEM parts from reputable places. Saving money does you no good if you cut corners.

I have learned to do it right the first time . I like to be low and that's all there is to it. But I can promise anyone this: All of my drops have been correct and I have researched anything and everything to make sure it's there. I am not about the stance thing at all really. Just being dropped alone is fun to me (plus the fact that I can take corners a little more spirited than stock+). But as stated above best done right rather than wrong you know lol. Oh well I just had to put my 2 cents in.

[J-specCb4]

LMAO. its not just about being lowered, its about being so low you destroy shit and not caring about safety. there's a big difference.

you are describing a percentage of the people who do it... just like labeling any other group of people... there are people who do it correctly, and there are people who will be careless.

id like to see the actual real world percentage of accidents that are because of slammed vehicles. the percentage of slammed vehicles on the road in the first place is so small its not capable of being a real issue compared to the million other reasons people get in accidents.

im gonna write an article about "so you think your 17 year old daughter is safe behind the wheel?" it would have more validity. haha

[HardInThePaint]

id like to see the actual real world percentage of accidents that are because of slammed vehicles. the percentage of slammed vehicles on the road in the first place is so small its not capable of being a real issue compared to the million other reasons people get in accidents.

Exactly.

[gloryaccordy]

Statistically insignificant I know, but I have been in 2 cars and know of many more who either went into a spin or had an outright crash because they were slammed on shitty suspension components. A lot of people assume that if a car is slammed it was done right.... 9 times out of 10 that is not the case, people order some Ebay coils and call it a day. No way you can call that "safe".

Even shit like F&Fs aren't really optimally engineered. The adjusters suck, the shocks vary from one side to the other or one batch to the other, etc. etc. Even if the setup is ideal (i.e. GC + Koni), the alignment could be off. Or the ride height could just be too low for the car to operate properly. If your CB is so low that UCA banging is a normal thing, it's too fucking low, I don't care if you have God himself suspending your car. I mean people can do what they want but let's not pretend like actions don't come with consequences.

[oni_cb7]

You can't really drive a slammed car that fast and you tend to be a lot more careful. Most slammed drivers are worried about every dip and crest in the road and pay excessive amounts of attention to the road (most, not all). It just takes a careful driver with a good eye for imperfections in the road. If you drive like a jerk, then don't slam your car; it doesn't favor your driving style. I know many big names in the stance scene (cars modded right) but they have never been in a severe accidents. Only flat tires. In addition, cars like these take extra amounts of maintenance and if neglected, this can create really bad problems. I assume that those that cheap out on suspension, also cheap out on maintenance; therefore, it is no surprise to me that their cars fall apart. There's a reason the phrase "you gotta pay to play" exists.

[HardInThePaint]

Statistically insignificant I know, but I have been in 2 cars and know of many more who either went into a spin or had an outright crash because they were slammed on shitty suspension components. A lot of people assume that if a car is slammed it was done right.... 9 times out of 10 that is not the case, people order some Ebay coils and call it a day. No way you can call that "safe".

OK that all sounds good but we ain't even talking about the quality of components here... We are talking about having an extremely low vehicle, regardless if you spent $3000 or $300 on your suspension.

Granted, having bullshit parts greatly increases your chances of being deceased.

[HappyGilmore]

Honestly being low is what has kept me from being in any accident period. I am wary of the road and the idiots on it. I wish that the privilage to drive was a lot more tighter here in the states and then we wouldn't have the buffons that we do on the road now.

[J-specCb4]

9 times out of 10

9 out of 10 bro?!!?!?!!!!??! what shit car dudes do u find yourself surrounded by?

[illinois_erik]

thats tiite!

[gloryaccordy]

OK that all sounds good but we ain't even talking about the quality of components here... We are talking about having an extremely low vehicle, regardless if you spent $3000 or $300 on your suspension.

Granted, having bullshit parts greatly increases your chances of being deceased.

Yea I mean there comes a point where nothing can save you

9 out of 10 bro?!!?!?!!!!??! what shit car dudes do u find yourself surrounded by?

All my homies ride Konis or better

But there's definitely a lot of shit out there. Not even full on Ebay crap, but dudes with Eibachs on stock shocks for example. "Quality" component, but not set up right.

And no matter how quality a setup is, you can't call this safe:



I don't care how much Super Sport suck's dude's dick.