the best suspension setup for 800-900 bucks

[cb7lover1982]

well just get the coilovers and rear sway for now then. but i would suggest getting all that stuff done at one time if you can. but piece it together tho. get the coilovers. the next month get the bushings. next month get the sway bar. and then pick 2 days to get it all installed.


the Func./Form Type I's, you can slam the car if you want. but unless you get all your bushings replaced, doing it would be pointless. you'll end up having to replace all of those bushing in the end. sad part is you might end up having some of those bushings go bad at the wrong time.

as far as a camber kits, ingalls seem to be good and i havent heard any complaints....

i will be able to get everything at once its only another 110 bucks. o and i forgot to thank you for all those links your awesome man they really helped alot. and have you dealt with tasauto.com before? are they a good company? the other link that other member provided to summit racing their bushing kit is on back order till the middle of next month so that will not work.

[Shadow1]

i will be able to get everything at once its only another 110 bucks. o and i forgot to thank you for all those links your awesome man they really helped alot. and have you dealt with tasauto.com before? are they a good company? the other link that other member provided to summit racing their bushing kit is on back order till the middle of next month so that will not work.

any time man. im always willing to help fellow members and tasauto.com is actually a member shop up here so you might get a discount for being that your a member here on cb7tuner. and they normally have stuff stocked.

[h22sparkle]

I would go with some koni yellow sport adjustables with some koni sport springs the green ones. Or you can just call it the koni supercup kit.

[bcjammerx]

where are you guys finding true coilovers for under $1200? And...true coilovers under $1200 that are any good?

For the price range to OP stated, super cup kit via neuspeed is your best bet IMO. 3 height perches, adjustable shocks.

and...you don't need fully adjustable coilovers btw

[Shadow1]

where are you guys finding true coilovers for under $1200? And...true coilovers under $1200 that are any good?

For the price range to OP stated, super cup kit via neuspeed is your best bet IMO. 3 height perches, adjustable shocks.

and...you don't need fully adjustable coilovers btw

Func./Form Type One AND Two's are both under $900(Type Ones are $630 shipped and Type Two's are $850). Ksports and D2s are going for like $850. where are you looking that your NOT finding true coilovers for under $1200? so far Tien Super Street's are the only ones i see going for $1200.

[Tnwagn]

Call Summit, they sometimes don't have their online system up to date with backordered items that aren't often bought, such as that bushing kit.

[gloryaccordy]

The only shocks worth spending money on are Bilstiens or Koni Yellows. Springs are springs. No coilover on the market has shocks the quality of Konis or Bilsteins. PERIOD.

Koni Yellow SP3s. Ground Control Coilovers. Anything else is a waste of money.

Here is where you can Koni Yellows for the cheapest price:

http://neuspeed.com/products/product...type=ns_import

$500 shipped for the shocks. Then you can get the GC's from whereever. Make sure you get them specifically for the Koni Yellows.

[Ronald_Type-R]

Woah that gives me a headache bro!

Konis are definitely nice...And the thing with them is that they last forever! I believe 604_cb7 rocked a set of Koni Yellows for 10 years before he switched to T1R coilovers..With coilovers, I know that the shocks will only last 4-5 years before they have to be replaced..Sometimes sooner, depends on road conditions, and how you drive..

But honestly, after switching from Koni Yellows to a mono-tube coilovers, I swore to myself I'll never go back to the old ways! I'd much rather rock coilovers and have shocks rebuild every 4 years than rocking the same set of Koni Yellows or Bilsteins for 10-12 years..ask Mike (604_cb7), and he'll probably tell you the same thing...He auto-crosses using both setups (Konis/H&R Race and T1R coilovers), and the difference is night and day!! The smoothness, the response, the stiffness, the adjustability, the crisp handling..It just doesn't compare! Period.

AGAIN though, without good bushings and good tires, coilovers will literally feel like shit..Heck, even in winter time, when I'm rocking winter tires, I have to soften up the settings by quite a lot, because it's just not the same!

So yes, Konis and Bilsteins last FOREVER. That's for sure, I won't argue with that..But when it comes to performance and adjustability, I'd have to say that coilovers win..And just out of curiousity, can you run spring rates of 14K, 16K or even 18K on Koni Yellows or Bilsteins? Just curious because I have no idea hehe but anyways, for me personally, I'd sacrifice a set of shocks that last forever to something that doesn't last forever, but work a LOT better for my own preferences

Ronald

[AstroVannin]

Great Link

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[gloryaccordy]

Woah that gives me a headache bro!

Konis are definitely nice...And the thing with them is that they last forever! I believe 604_cb7 rocked a set of Koni Yellows for 10 years before he switched to T1R coilovers..With coilovers, I know that the shocks will only last 4-5 years before they have to be replaced..Sometimes sooner, depends on road conditions, and how you drive..

But honestly, after switching from Koni Yellows to a mono-tube coilovers, I swore to myself I'll never go back to the old ways! I'd much rather rock coilovers and have shocks rebuild every 4 years than rocking the same set of Koni Yellows or Bilsteins for 10-12 years..ask Mike (604_cb7), and he'll probably tell you the same thing...He auto-crosses using both setups (Konis/H&R Race and T1R coilovers), and the difference is night and day!! The smoothness, the response, the stiffness, the adjustability, the crisp handling..It just doesn't compare! Period.

AGAIN though, without good bushings and good tires, coilovers will literally feel like shit..Heck, even in winter time, when I'm rocking winter tires, I have to soften up the settings by quite a lot, because it's just not the same!

So yes, Konis and Bilsteins last FOREVER. That's for sure, I won't argue with that..But when it comes to performance and adjustability, I'd have to say that coilovers win..And just out of curiousity, can you run spring rates of 14K, 16K or even 18K on Koni Yellows or Bilsteins? Just curious because I have no idea hehe but anyways, for me personally, I'd sacrifice a set of shocks that last forever to something that doesn't last forever, but work a LOT better for my own preferences

Ronald

Well ur needs are different from those of what the OP and the avg CB7tuner's are. Nobody in their right mind would rock 18K springs or solid steel bushings on a daily driver on streets with bumps, etc.

Plus the avg person prob doesn't want to have to send their shocks out to get rebuilt. The added performance of T1R shocks might not warrant the higher maintenance or extra cost.

Plus, most importantly, the quality of the K-Sport/D2/Megan Racing and even Tein shocks is questionable at best. The adjustments on the shocks are not repeatable, and often times there are incredible variations between the damping rates of left/right sides, making for what feels like enhanced control on the street due to the quicker reactions of the stiffer setup, but awful asymetrical and at times down right dangerous performance at the track. Having 32 levels of adjustability is MEANINGLESS when your left shock at full soft is what your right shock is at full hard, and every setting changes every time you adjust the shocks (meaning the 10th click from full soft corresponds to different damping rates every time you adjust the shock).

I swear by this link:

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

Not to mention Koni has done shock dynos and had presentations on why their shocks are superior with quantitative evidence, and despite having "only" 5 levels of damping, those levels represent a meaningful range of damping with repeatability between left/right sides and with every time you change them. The 4th click from soft on a Koni will pretty much represent the same damping level no matter how many times you adjust it, and for most of the life of the shock. That is HUGE.

Plus, Konis are rebuildable for higher rates if so desired... and their quality is track proven, plus they have excellent excellent excellent customer service. All this for $500!!!! You can't beat that.

[cb7lover1982]

Well ur needs are different from those of what the OP and the avg CB7tuner's are. Nobody in their right mind would rock 18K springs or solid steel bushings on a daily driver on streets with bumps, etc.

Plus the avg person prob doesn't want to have to send their shocks out to get rebuilt. The added performance of T1R shocks might not warrant the higher maintenance or extra cost.

Plus, most importantly, the quality of the K-Sport/D2/Megan Racing and even Tein shocks is questionable at best. The adjustments on the shocks are not repeatable, and often times there are incredible variations between the damping rates of left/right sides, making for what feels like enhanced control on the street due to the quicker reactions of the stiffer setup, but awful asymetrical and at times down right dangerous performance at the track. Having 32 levels of adjustability is MEANINGLESS when your left shock at full soft is what your right shock is at full hard, and every setting changes every time you adjust the shocks (meaning the 10th click from full soft corresponds to different damping rates every time you adjust the shock).

I swear by this link:

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

Not to mention Koni has done shock dynos and had presentations on why their shocks are superior with quantitative evidence, and despite having "only" 5 levels of damping, those levels represent a meaningful range of damping with repeatability between left/right sides and with every time you change them. The 4th click from soft on a Koni will pretty much represent the same damping level no matter how many times you adjust it, and for most of the life of the shock. That is HUGE.

Plus, Konis are rebuildable for higher rates if so desired... and their quality is track proven, plus they have excellent excellent excellent customer service. All this for $500!!!! You can't beat that.

the only thing i am still confused about is yes the set of koni's are 500 shipped but the gc coilovers the cheapest price i could find was 339 shipped so that would bring the total to 839. i found bc racing full coilover kit for 899 shipped to my door so i am wondering if it is worth spending the extra 60 for a full adjustable coilover kit. i really dont know shit about suspensions and i do want a great suspension however you make a good point i dont want to have to keep dumping money into my suspension once i buy either setup so maybe it would be better to just buy the koni's and gc coilovers since they will last longer and wont have to be replaced as often. but on the other hand it does seem like the full coilovers give you the adjustability to play with ride heights and stiffness. so many choices i am getting a headache looking at all these reviews and research i have been doing and im still just as confused as when i started this post so is there a way to get the best of both worlds. comfort and looks but also performance for when i do decide to go to the track?

[Tnwagn]

Dude, no matter what you get there are going to be people that tell you that you bought the wrong thing.

Honestly, just about any of the choices in this thread are legit and would do just fine as long as you install them correctly and don't bash your car to shit.

[gloryaccordy]

the only thing i am still confused about is yes the set of koni's are 500 shipped but the gc coilovers the cheapest price i could find was 339 shipped so that would bring the total to 839. i found bc racing full coilover kit for 899 shipped to my door so i am wondering if it is worth spending the extra 60 for a full adjustable coilover kit. i really dont know shit about suspensions and i do want a great suspension however you make a good point i dont want to have to keep dumping money into my suspension once i buy either setup so maybe it would be better to just buy the koni's and gc coilovers since they will last longer and wont have to be replaced as often. but on the other hand it does seem like the full coilovers give you the adjustability to play with ride heights and stiffness. so many choices i am getting a headache looking at all these reviews and research i have been doing and im still just as confused as when i started this post so is there a way to get the best of both worlds. comfort and looks but also performance for when i do decide to go to the track?

Best of both worlds is Koni + GC. I have ridden in and owned a lot of different setups and Koni shocks with any spring has always been a cut above the rest.

Best bet... find some people in ur area with different setups and ride in them to make the decision yourself. But I am telling you from first hand experience, along with Deev, the administrator of this site, that if you want the most for your $$$$ Koni + GC is your best bet.

[Tnwagn]

The only issue I have with the Koni/GC setup is not being able to adjust the ride height independent of the preload.

But like I said, everyone's going to call fault in whatever you end up getting. The Koni/GC is a solid setup.

[Ronald_Type-R]

Well ur needs are different from those of what the OP and the avg CB7tuner's are. Nobody in their right mind would rock 18K springs or solid steel bushings on a daily driver on streets with bumps, etc.

Plus the avg person prob doesn't want to have to send their shocks out to get rebuilt. The added performance of T1R shocks might not warrant the higher maintenance or extra cost.

Plus, most importantly, the quality of the K-Sport/D2/Megan Racing and even Tein shocks is questionable at best. The adjustments on the shocks are not repeatable, and often times there are incredible variations between the damping rates of left/right sides, making for what feels like enhanced control on the street due to the quicker reactions of the stiffer setup, but awful asymetrical and at times down right dangerous performance at the track. Having 32 levels of adjustability is MEANINGLESS when your left shock at full soft is what your right shock is at full hard, and every setting changes every time you adjust the shocks (meaning the 10th click from full soft corresponds to different damping rates every time you adjust the shock).

I swear by this link:

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

Not to mention Koni has done shock dynos and had presentations on why their shocks are superior with quantitative evidence, and despite having "only" 5 levels of damping, those levels represent a meaningful range of damping with repeatability between left/right sides and with every time you change them. The 4th click from soft on a Koni will pretty much represent the same damping level no matter how many times you adjust it, and for most of the life of the shock. That is HUGE.

Plus, Konis are rebuildable for higher rates if so desired... and their quality is track proven, plus they have excellent excellent excellent customer service. All this for $500!!!! You can't beat that.

Good read man, thanks for the link and the info But where you swear by that link, I swear by my own feel and experience when it comes to suspension tuning lol of course I'm nowhere near as good as that guy, and I don't have a machine that will show me all those numbers and graphs, but I DO have my own preferences, and the adjustability on the coilovers, may it not be adequate according to that link, is VERY adequate when it comes to me.

To be honest with you, all that graphs don't mean anything to me. And if I remember correctly, Koni Yellows don't have 5 levels of adjustability? I believe Tokico Illumina have 5 clicks, but Tokico is not included in that list on that link, so let's never speak of it again..IIRC, Koni Yellows come with a separate knob that you use to adjust the shocks, and each shock has about 2.5 fluid turns with no clicks? Am I correct? Or maybe the newer Koni Yellows has 5 clicks/levels of damping? And even after reading that link, the guy doesn't really have much nice things to say about Konis? Or am I reading it wrong?

Well either way..Each person has their own preferences on how their cars should handle. I have mine...I don't want understeer, and I don't want major over-steer..Ever since I've gotten my coilovers, I've ran about 5 different set of wheels, a set of bushings which were then replaced by a set of spherical bearings, and different curb weight (Stripped in the summer, full interior in the winter)...And everytime I change something, I will have to re-tune my suspension.

But no matter what the setup is like, I can ALWAYS tune my suspension so that the end result will satisfy my preferences. ALWAYS. You are correct when you said the numbers never end up being the same...Different wheels, different offset, different tire compound, different tire size/width, different curb weight, different braking points, etc etc etc....Whenever I change my setup and re-tune my coilovers, I will always end up with different number of clicks (Mind you, front left and front right is always the same clicks, as well as rear left and rear right)...

But so far, the clicks are consistent, and predictable. If I turn it up 5 clicks up front and the car understeers, I'd then turn it down 3 clicks and the understeer would lessen. If I turn the rear up by 5 clicks and the car oversteers around a tight corner, I'd turn it down by a few until the rear-end gets more neutral....That's pretty much how I tune my suspension...Just by feel..It might not be 100% accurate, but it works just fine! In the end I get to tune my coilovers in a way that my car handles the way I want it despite different wheels/tires combo, and curb weight...And if I ever want to change it, it's very easy because all I have to do is count the clicks!

With Koni Yellows I found it hard to tune, because I don't know what every turn does, I don't know how much I need to turn to make the car handle the way I want it, etc etc....Mind you it's still doable, but I find that the 32 clicks has much finer adjusting, and that makes tuning a LOT easier...Maybe each click is inconsistent to the next? Who knows..But all I know is that the end result is always the same for me...And once I find a setting for my current setup, I stick with it, and it stays consistent until the next time I change my setup And clicks are SO much easier to count than fluid turns!! (Again, I don't know, if the new Koni Yellows come with 5 clicks/levels then that would be a big plus!)

And plus, who knows what kind of shocks are inside of these coilovers? I could've sworn that I saw someone local selling a set of KSports coilovers for a Protege 5 a few years back that comes with a set of replacement shocks, and the shocks have a big fat "Koni" stamped on each and every one of them...I'll see if I can find pics..(It could've been Tokicos)..But just 'coz that guy says it's crap doesn't mean you can't make it work for you, and it doesn't mean they're questionable at best...Everyone I know who has switched to coilovers have been loving it...32 clicks = finer and easier adjustment...They're very predictable, and once you set them, they stay consistent throughout the whole run..And the smoothness of these monotube coilovers...It's incredible!! Even with spring rates of 14K front and 8K rear...Heck I've ridden on an EK running Zeal coilovers with 22K up front and 16K rear and it still feels damn good!!! But unfortunately, based on that link Zeal is also crap, since it's not in the list....But it feels DAMN good on that EK!

And as for the shock's inconsistency on every corner..Like I said, I've always set left and right to the same clicks (LF and RF, LR and RR), and my car handles the same whether I corner to the left or to the right I'm sure they're not EXACTLY the same, but pretty close! If I try hard enough I'm sure I can tune so that they feel exactly the same either way.

So in the end I guess it all comes down to user's preferences..Konis might be $500, but with springs that brings the cost up to $800+.....For that kind of money, I wouldn't even think twice about going to a set of coilovers, even if it's not in that guy's list...The feel of it is just amazing! Car feels a lot more planted and a lot safer at high-speed cornering...But anyways, I'm just telling this from my first hand experience, and others I know who have upgraded to a set of coilovers from their old setup, which most of them ARE Koni Yellows with springs, whether it be H&R, or GC

Ronald