Real-World Mild NA F22ax SOHC Project Expense List

[HondaFan81]

Honda Fan 81, great job. Thanks for taking one for the team by pulling this off.

Thanks, appreciate your comment.

[Maple50175]

So almost 3,000 for 160 HP seems a little rediculous?

[HondaFan81]

So almost 3,000 for 160 HP seems a little rediculous?

It's not that much for the performance parts needed. The performance parts alone need where in the $1600-1700 range. Adding all the new OEM gaskets, seals, etc. to this project could have come close to that. It is reality, whether you like it or not. I do complete work, I don't half-a$$ things. That is why my car is reliable. This motor had no engine leaks, everything ran great.

[d112crzy]

He's anal about everything, so he likes spending his money on things that aren't 100% necessary. The biggest probably being head work for such a mild build. The same power level could be achieved without that $900 price and a lot of the OEM replacement parts he bought.

You can cut the price by around half if you shopped around for better deals and cut back on a few OEM seals.

But welcome to the world of Naturally aspirated motors. It costs to play in this game.

[gloryaccordy]

He's anal about everything, so he likes spending his money on things that aren't 100% necessary. The biggest probably being head work for such a mild build. The same power level could be achieved without that $900 price and a lot of the OEM replacement parts he bought.

You can cut the price by around half if you shopped around for better deals and cut back on a few OEM seals.

But welcome to the world of Naturally aspirated motors. It costs to play in this game.

Yea I think maintenance should be separated from absolutely necessary support for mods (like valvesprings for cams for example). While this is def. an ideal way to approach it, I think that one dude w/the Bisi Stg II build's build is more realistic cost-wise for the avg. tuner.

[HondaFan81]

Yea I think maintenance should be separated from absolutely necessary support for mods (like valvesprings for cams for example). While this is def. an ideal way to approach it, I think that one dude w/the Bisi Stg II build's build is more realistic cost-wise for the avg. tuner.

The intelligent tuner would be able to distinguish what he needs. They would also be able to analyze the condition of their motor and do the appropriate maintenance so they have a reliable motor, otherwise all mods will never achieve max potential or sacrifice durability.

Like Jose said, I am anal about doing things right the first time. I also put high mileage on my motors and I wasn't building this mild F22 NA build for short use, it was my daily driver and I am driving it into the ground. I don't like dealing with stupid issues like a motor with better performance, but I have a bad front main seal leak and have to put 2-3 quarts of oil per oil change interval. I don't like dealing with misfiring due to bad rocker arm assy O-ring oil leaks into spark plug tubes. I have realized many people with modified motors, fail to tell you the ridiculous problems they have on a daily basis because they cheaped out on their build, but they are quick to brag about how much power they think or did make or who they beat in a race. Besides, the reality with our F22 motors are they are mostly high mileage and do need some type of maintenance work before proceeding with some performance build, otherwise we'd be modifying current model year vehicles here.

[Cb_JoeyG]

hondafan thx for all ur info and hard work in these posts its really helped me with my complete rebuild of an a6!! I went honda oem on all the seals/bearings/hoses/clutch, and i have a good feeling about this engine because i didnt cheap out or half ass anything.. it will be in by the end of the week and i can only hope it puts out well I will also be doing the h22IM swap on it too.

I have a question tho.. if i did the bisi stg2 regrind and used the original cam gear would i have to get the engine "tuned"?? im hopein to have a pt6 ecu in to run this all. not chipped or anything tho appreciate it bro!!

[HondaFan81]

hondafan thx for all ur info and hard work in these posts its really helped me with my complete rebuild of an a6!! I went honda oem on all the seals/bearings/hoses/clutch, and i have a good feeling about this engine because i didnt cheap out or half ass anything.. it will be in by the end of the week and i can only hope it puts out well I will also be doing the h22IM swap on it too.

I have a question tho.. if i did the bisi stg2 regrind and used the original cam gear would i have to get the engine "tuned"?? im hopein to have a pt6 ecu in to run this all. not chipped or anything tho appreciate it bro!!

Thanks for the comments, check your PM.

[robert@bisimoto]

thats a shit load of money to come out with 152 horses i would have just did a motor swap lol but thats just me lol

...Or gone with Bisimoto parts or services and got more power for your dollar.

[HondaFan81]

...Or gone with Bisimoto parts or services and got more power for your dollar.

Robert, if you must know, this build was a conglomeration of extra parts that I did not use for my white project. I learned of Bisimoto late in this red project, that is why the lack of your company's product. If I was made of money, I would have swapped that Delta 272 for Bisi level 2 F22 camshaft. I also wanted to mate an H-series tranny to this setup, but it all did not happen.

The main purpose of this thread is to show the reality of a build, that parts all add up. People don't consider the things in between that do cost money and will add up. Performance parts are not the entire cost of a build, you have to factor in other things to make it all work and get it all completed properly.

[tm123]

THIS, my friend, is the same setup i was lookin to do
i jus now saw this its not bad for N/A im tryin to do this exactly
without the headwork cuz i have no money for that but everything else is right on
q do you have the EGR blocked? vacuum lines removed?
im sure that would bump the numbers up a bit

[Darren93]

Just found this thread.....excellent information!