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    H22a header options... best power for the money?

    I had planned on getting the Rage header from kteller.com, but it has mysteriously disappeared from their online catalog. Therefore, the time to research has come again!

    Now, I know the SMSP and Hytech headers are some of the best on the market, but they're also priced in the 4 figure range.

    The Rage wasn't quite as good, but it was also priced around $600.

    DC Sports doesn't interest me at all... I've seen NO indication that the DC header makes any more power than the JDM H22 header that came with my motor...



    What other options are there? I'm looking for a minimum of 10whp.






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    RMF maybe? I think there still in the 700-800 range though. You can try to do the 2.5" collector mod with the h22a header and see what that nets you. Prob not the 10hp you want but it might give you a better gain that buying some suck ass brand.

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      If you are looking for return on investment, there is only one way to do that...

      HP per dollar.

      I know that you don't want to spend that much on a header, but look at it this way: The header is pricey, but will put you at a power level that is equal to a slightly better than stock header plus a few other things... How much is that going to be total?

      Plus, as the absolute pivoting point of making power is total airflow, the header is going to benefit you more as you seek other power too, i.e. cams etc.

      Just an opinion.

      For costs sake, I am going to try out the new DC with 2.5" collector, because it will allow me to get swapped sooner. Because it is going in with the car, I will have to guesstimate a total gain, based on known stock outputs, but I will keep you posted.

      I will eventually get something better though.
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        SMSP is my eventual goal... but at the moment, it's more cost effective (hp per dollar) to go with something half the price, cams, and an electric water pump (replacing it anyway, might as well upgrade).

        The Rage was my ideal header, because the gains were significant, and the price was within my range (at the max, but doable). HP per dollar definitely deminishes after a point. A $100 ebay header may give 5hp, and the SMSP may give 20hp (round numbers for the sake of easy math). The SMSP header costs 3 times as much in terms of hp/dollar. From what I've seen, as you get over 8-10 proven wheel horsepower with a header, each horsepower becomes increasingly more expensive.


        Are there any reports on gains seen with the 2.5" collector DC header?






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          I'm running a greddy header. I got it for $369, from revhighonline.com. I think it's making good power.
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            http://www.superhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126108
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              Originally posted by deevergote
              SMSP is my eventual goal... but at the moment, it's more cost effective (hp per dollar) to go with something half the price, cams, and an electric water pump (replacing it anyway, might as well upgrade).

              The Rage was my ideal header, because the gains were significant, and the price was within my range (at the max, but doable). HP per dollar definitely deminishes after a point. A $100 ebay header may give 5hp, and the SMSP may give 20hp (round numbers for the sake of easy math). The SMSP header costs 3 times as much in terms of hp/dollar. From what I've seen, as you get over 8-10 proven wheel horsepower with a header, each horsepower becomes increasingly more expensive.


              Are there any reports on gains seen with the 2.5" collector DC header?

              I have been looking, but can't seem to find any results for the 2.5" DC. That is one reason I decided to be the guniea pig. I will probably try to find some stock manis somewhere down the road just to quantify the thing. I was kinda hoping DC would post a dyno of it on their site. While it would obviously be skewed to show maximum gain, it would still be a ballpark. Plus, most of their pulls seem to be fairly close to what you can expect on the street.

              Theoretically, I think the reason the 2" DC doesn't gain over stock is because of the collector size... I think it is the flow restriction, so the 2.5" should help... but we will see.

              I think eventually, I am going to go to Burns Stainless for my final header...
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                Originally posted by bracersi
                http://www.superhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126108
                Cool, that's a help! Thanks! (edit: that's all D series headers... SMSP for the D series is like $425! A good header for the D series might suck for the H series... many of the less expensive header manufacturers will go with the same design for different engines. Every engine is an individual. The h22 breathes differently than the D16.)

                I wonder if the 2.5" collector DC headers on ebay are genuine... they're quite inexpensive...






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                  power to dollar ratio would be yoru stock header! with no cat
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                    The 2.5" on the DC has shown gains before. I remember seeing a few charts back on HT from quite a while back. I forgot the gain but it was pretty noticeable. BTW optimusprime on here has the 2.5" collector mod on his DC header if i remember correctly.

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                      Originally posted by SoySauceCb7
                      power to dollar ratio would be yoru stock header! with no cat
                      0 gains for 0 dollars? That's 0/0. That equals 0. I'd rather spend a dollar to gain one horsepower. At least that would be a 1/1 ratio!






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                        Originally posted by deevergote
                        0 gains for 0 dollars? That's 0/0. That equals 0. I'd rather spend a dollar to gain one horsepower. At least that would be a 1/1 ratio!
                        haha i hear ya, its just that i havent seen very conclusive evidence of gains on a h22 with a header. Its just so nicely tuned stock. I know camshafts with throttle body and some tuning will give you a lot more than a header and pretty easy to install!
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                          The GOOD headers give gains. Anything from $500 up, from all I've seen. That's why DC makes me uneasy... But the new collector eliminates the bottleneck that was in the old model, so I'm hoping the mandrel bends and slightly wider diameter (as well as better thermal properties of the ceramic or stainless material) will give something.

                          SMSP has given a proven 15-20hp. Rage I believe was supposed to give like 12-15. If I get 10, I'm happy. 10hp isn't spectacular, but it's fairly significant. If I get 10hp with a header, 10hp with some cams, another 5 found in cam, ignition, and fuel tuning, and perhaps another 3-5 with an electric water pump... coupled with some drag radials, no AC, no PS, and as little interior as I can stand, I hope to dip into the very low 14s, if not break into the 13s (I might be dreaming there... but it's a goal!)






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                            deev, have you given RMF a thought? I know my friend that has one on his b18c and he said it def gave him improvements. he hasnt got a dyno yet tho.
                            also, i know some other guy that had one on his h22. he said that he got about 15whp from it. theyre in the 800-900 range, maybe a lil cheaper.

                            http://www.importpowerhouse.com/cust...manifolds.htm#

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by d112crzy
                              deev, have you given RMF a thought? I know my friend that has one on his b18c and he said it def gave him improvements. he hasnt got a dyno yet tho.
                              also, i know some other guy that had one on his h22. he said that he got about 15whp from it. theyre in the 800-900 range, maybe a lil cheaper.

                              http://www.importpowerhouse.com/cust...manifolds.htm#
                              Thats what I said earlier too. Does give pretty decent gains with some tuning.

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