b + d w/ v-tecseries for 4th gen

[killah3084]

What about b or d series? They are pretty cheap and most v-tec produce more than f22a-whatever...Has anyone done it?
I want a good swap, but cheap...h22 is expensive....b2 head and a6 intake manifold/ecu are relatively difficult to get plus i want something that will handle nice and make the car lighter - h22 is heavier so b or d seems appealing... But I'm not sure i if know what i'm talking about......help

-V-
PS: engine weight chart would be nice. Where can i find one?

[ACC0RD22]

. . . what B-series is cheaper than the H22?

[k-mart]

PS: engine weight chart would be nice. Where can i find one?

motor weight means nothing if the motor itself cannot "pull" the weight of the car.

in addition, i believe that the f22a6 has almost identical torque numbers as the b18c5. someone correct me if im wrong.

[Ilikebigbutts]

The h weighs like 40 more than a d,if that.D and b would be worthless,espcial d-series,the highest hp rating is 125.F22a6 is 140.Plus yoiu need costum mounts for them.Just go f22b Dohc or h23a if you want a cheaper swap.160hp(same as b16 vtec) and 148-153lbs tq(way more that b16 vtec),and they bolt right in place and cheaper than b series.

ILBB

[ACC0RD22]

Im still wondering what VTEC B-series is cheaper than the H22? . . . the B16a's are roughly the same price . . . and i dont think theres anything cheaper than those.

[H23Accord]

It is torque that matters...not the horsepower. This is what was being referred to above by k-mart. Look at the tq specs. this is what makes the big difference in the engines. Torque typically goes hand in hand with engine size. You will find that the larger the displacement, the more tq the engine should have. The H engines have much more tq than the D and B engines you mentioned. this is what pulls the car and is also considered to be the power you "feel."
If you want a more "reasonable" solution to swapping engines, start swapping heads as was mentioned by Ilikebigbutts. Head swapping has gotten extremely popular and can produce good gains as well as a good setup for future buildups.
Otherwise keep your eye out for cheap engines seeing as price is your priority. Believe it or not, there are H engines out there for less than a grand.

[KillerCam282]

OMG, this guy called me up the other day and asked me to swap an ls-vtec into his CB7. I laughed my ass off. He also planned on turbocharging it. The money he wanted to pay me to swap it was even funnier than the swap itself.

[NoSloCB7]

This thread gave me the best laugh of the day..maybe of the week....thanks guy

[killah3084]

This thread gave me the best laugh of the day..maybe of the week....thanks guy

I told you i don't know what i'm talking about. I'm new to the whole scene of swapping engines etc...two weeks ago b, d, and h sereies were all the same... Thats why i'm asking. I'd rather ask a stupid question than buy something that won't fit/work. I'm glad you guys find it funny. Thanks for input.
I'm planning to go to wyotech to learn more about cars/engines...my major will be high perfonce engines/chassis fabrication.

-V-

[killah3084]

The h weighs like 40 more than a d,if that.D and b would be worthless,espcial d-series,the highest hp rating is 125.F22a6 is 140.Plus yoiu need costum mounts for them.Just go f22b Dohc or h23a if you want a cheaper swap.160hp(same as b16 vtec) and 148-153lbs tq(way more that b16 vtec),and they bolt right in place and cheaper than b series.

ILBB

Thanks. I'm moving to your area in dec by the way. Blairsville or Indiana...

[JDMCB3Si]

Hey man the B & D series VTEC are SHIT when it comes to torque. None of the match up to ANY of the NON VTEC series F or H motors. Plus with all the fabrication needed it is worthless in the end. Anything can be done but you would spend more than an h22 would cost to have the thing put in. Just go H23 or F22B if oyu want a good swap. The F22B is 150hp/147TQ and the H23a is 160hp/157tq. They are BOTH equally good motors and would give you WAY more than a B OR D series vtec swap.

[Dirty Harry]

Damn, I'm late on this one.

cha-ching

[phatdoughnut]

F series in a hatch= the same as a b series in a hatch.

you can get full obd0 b16s with cable trannys for like 1k.. dirt cheap.

[H23Accord]

I told you i don't know what i'm talking about. I'm new to the whole scene of swapping engines etc...two weeks ago b, d, and h sereies were all the same... Thats why i'm asking. I'd rather ask a stupid question than buy something that won't fit/work. I'm glad you guys find it funny. Thanks for input.
I'm planning to go to wyotech to learn more about cars/engines...my major will be high perfonce engines/chassis fabrication.

-V-

Your question is not a stupid question. I was wondering the same thing years ago when i had my first swap done and was thinking maybe if I went with a lighter engine it would be better in the long run when i boost. Than the realization of what torque vs. horsepower is hit me and that is when i realized that would be smarter for me to go with an F or an H engine. Plus, your F or H tranny does not work with the D and B series engines if I remember correctly. That means more money you would be spending on having to get the tranny that matches.
Bottom line, if you want more power in your car either boost (which is relatively cheap these days), head swap, or buy an F/H engine. Its all about the torque.
On a side note, you could always be a pioneer and swap the D or B in and let us know how it works out.

[Ilikebigbutts]

Thanks. I'm moving to your area in dec by the way. Blairsville or Indiana...

Hmm,if you're close enough, i can deffinatly help you out with the swap if you decide on it.Just PM me

To the dude that said f22b DOHC has 150hp,it actualy has 160.Dont knock my b

ILBB