F22A1 Build-up!!

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Hey guys i could almost bet you could achive 200hp from a F-Series without spray.. I mean what if you where to swap in a F22B1 V-tec head and build from there?

[Accord R33]

Hey guys i could almost bet you could achive 200hp from a F-Series without spray.. I mean what if you where to swap in a F22B1 V-tec head and build from there?

exactly how much power do you think SOHC econo-VTEC gives you?

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exactly how much power do you think SOHC econo-VTEC gives you?

Well true 200 is probably pushing it to its limits.

Im just saying a buddy of my dad builds drag racing motors and he said if i got the F22B1 head he would mill it, and P&P the head and intake manifold for me, plus put a 272 Regrind in it along with a bored Throttle body and help me tune it to achieve the most we can get out of it.. Not to mention bigger Injectors obviously..

[Accordpwnz0r]

I've seen complete h22 engine swaps for 1300

www.craigslist.com

[Dionysis24BXT]

I've seen complete h22 engine swaps for 1300

www.craigslist.com

What you and AccordR33 have to realize is that here in NC, there aren't to many tuner shops around and the one's that we do have CHARGE CRAZY ASS LABOR CHARGES!!! Not to mention that I can get a F22A1 motor from the yard for less than $300, hell going to redo and build it anyway to hell with MILES and COND. I have seen H22's on ebay and other creditable websites for maybe $1200 to $1500, but that is not including shipping($100 to $300), various parts, axles, mounts, and other tid bits($500 to $1000 depending on brand and Pref.) and like I stated earlier LABOR CHARGES($1500 to $2000), and the reason for this is that everyone can't perform this swap and tuner shops in the Raleigh/Durham area know this, because some parts have to be interchanged and so on and so forth*( Joe down the street can't do it!). Before I got my 91' Lx, I had and still have an 88' Lx-i and I wanted to have a B16A1 put in it, tuner shop in Raleigh was going to charge me $3500 to $4000 for the complete swap. So, the $1400 or so complete swap that you speek of SHYYYYYYYYYIT!!! I thought of swapping for the V-TEC head, but I figured I would have more room to play with as far as Cams are concerned with the F22A1 head vs. the F22B1 head. I mean F22A1 125hp and 137lb.ft. vs. 145hp and 142lb.ft. for the F22b1, true 20hp and 5lb.ft. difference, F22B1 head is limited on Cam options. What computer or chip options would I have to get the most out of the motor. I read up on the Hondata S300, is it any good? Anyone have EXP. with one?

[Accordpwnz0r]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/pts/102841278.html

[Dionysis24BXT]

I saw the Craig'slist posting, but like I stated before that offer only includes the motor and tranny. I don't see any axles, CPU, or any of that stuff. Yea it's $1400 but still have to get it shipped here and have it installed. F22A1 N/A build would be cheaper and also could still go turbo later on in the future**(not likely at all, but if I decided to I would not have put over $2000 into the motor) because I would have money left to do so. I'm trying to base my build up around producing TORQUE, what processes or steps could I impliment to insure this?

[Accordpwnz0r]

Yeah i guess so but im in seattle so it wont cost me to ship it i was just showing an example that he can find near where he lives so he wont have to ship it. and a ecu n sht only costs like 100 buk

[phatdoughnut]

What you and AccordR33 have to realize is that here in NC, there aren't to many tuner shops around and the one's that we do have CHARGE CRAZY ASS LABOR CHARGES!!! Not to mention that I can get a F22A1 motor from the yard for less than $300, hell going to redo and build it anyway to hell with MILES and COND. I have seen H22's on ebay and other creditable websites for maybe $1200 to $1500, but that is not including shipping($100 to $300), various parts, axles, mounts, and other tid bits($500 to $1000 depending on brand and Pref.) and like I stated earlier LABOR CHARGES($1500 to $2000), and the reason for this is that everyone can't perform this swap and tuner shops in the Raleigh/Durham area know this, because some parts have to be interchanged and so on and so forth*( Joe down the street can't do it!). Before I got my 91' Lx, I had and still have an 88' Lx-i and I wanted to have a B16A1 put in it, tuner shop in Raleigh was going to charge me $3500 to $4000 for the complete swap. So, the $1400 or so complete swap that you speek of SHYYYYYYYYYIT!!! I thought of swapping for the V-TEC head, but I figured I would have more room to play with as far as Cams are concerned with the F22A1 head vs. the F22B1 head. I mean F22A1 125hp and 137lb.ft. vs. 145hp and 142lb.ft. for the F22b1, true 20hp and 5lb.ft. difference, F22B1 head is limited on Cam options. What computer or chip options would I have to get the most out of the motor. I read up on the Hondata S300, is it any good? Anyone have EXP. with one?

wow accord r33 is right, you need to do alot more research.

I AM gona play devils advocate here..


IF you cant swap in an h22 motor, THEN YOU WONT BE ABLE TO FUCKING DO A BUILD UP, plain and fucking simple. dont even attempt it. done and done.

if you think that a build up is not gona give you problems, then you are wrong. WHY? because you cant even swap in an h22a which is alot more simpler.

if you think that getting 200whp out of an f22a is gona be cheap? you better do alot more research.

The only person i will ever see complete an F22a build up is hondafan(cisco)

And if you count your megan header as a mod that is gona get you 200whp im gona slap you.

one more thing, WTF are you talking about mounts axles? you use the same ones you have in your car..

[Dionysis24BXT]

wow accord r33 is right, you need to do alot more research.

I AM gona play devils advocate here..


IF you cant swap in an h22 motor, THEN YOU WONT BE ABLE TO FUCKING DO A BUILD UP, plain and fucking simple. dont even attempt it. done and done.

if you think that a build up is not gona give you problems, then you are wrong. WHY? because you cant even swap in an h22a which is alot more simpler.

if you think that getting 200whp out of an f22a is gona be cheap? you better do alot more research.

The only person i will ever see complete an F22a build up is hondafan(cisco)

And if you count your megan header as a mod that is gona get you 200whp im gona slap you.

one more thing, WTF are you talking about mounts axles? you use the same ones you have in your car..

Here we go ladies and gentleman, The first A**hole to jump in the thread.

#1. If you think that stock F22A1 axles will hold up to the increased power of an H22 for a long period of time then you are a UMMMMMM, Dumb _______!. I think if I invest money into a project I would want the strongest and most reliable parts that I could get for my money.

#2. By reading the thread if you did that at all, then U would have read that I started a thread called F22A1 Build UP!!!, not will these bolt-on parts take me to 200whp. By the way header is OBX, test pipe is Megan Racing! Read before you post FAM!

#3. Didn't want to swap in an H22 in the first place, once again FAM!!! read, read, and Oh Yeah REEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDD!!

#4. I didn't say anything about getting 200WHP, I stated that I was trying to get 170 to 180WHP, and then I said that I would run NOS on the built motor.

#5. Who ever said that building a motor, swapping, hell anything dealing with them was fullproof. I think that's why in the ENGLISH language a word exist out there somewhere called HELP!, See in the thread I talk about Labor Charges for swaps and Oh WOW! I started this thread the 1 that you typed on to get info. and helpful advice WHICH YOU DID NOT GIVE!

If you can't give good advice and not put profanity in your post then just that DON'T POST. Someone help this individual, their chasing their COMMONSENSE!

I'll post picks and video of the running car just for U!

[phatdoughnut]

i gave you plenty of good advice, your using labor charges and the only shop in NC as an excuse. doing any swap is just as easy as it is for you to type.


there are plenty of shops that have good deals on h22s that are reputable, seriously you think that building an engine is simpler than swapping?

and your right you didnt say 200hp.

#3. Didn't want to swap in an H22 in the first place, once again FAM!!! read, read, and Oh Yeah REEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDD!!

Didn't won't to spend $3000+ on a H22 swap, it is that much $$$$ here in the Durham/Raleigh area of NC.

plus you dont have to use @#$@$# for me, you can say it ASSHOLE FUCK SHIT BITCH whatever, were all grown ups thats why there isnt a filter on this board. unless you cant say the words.

[KillerCam282]

i gave you plenty of good advice, your using labor charges and the only shop in NC as an excuse. doing any swap is just as easy as it is for you to type.


there are plenty of shops that have good deals on h22s that are reputable, seriously you think that building an engine is simpler than swapping?

plus you dont have to use @#$@$# for me, you can say it ASSHOLE FUCK SHIT BITCH whatever, were all grown ups thats why there isnt a filter on this board. unless you cant say the words.

I completely second this motion. Swapping is much easier than building your existing motor. Swapping alot like one of the steps in a motor buildup.

Hey man, more POWER to you...

[phatdoughnut]

Your right not megan header, but obx man just as bad...

Parts that I have so far are *( AEM CAI, Megan Racing race cat., OBX 4-2-1 Header, and an OBX 3" inlet - 5" outlet muffler * looks like the GREDDY EVO exhaust). These items are not installed by the way. The Header I think has an 2" or 2 1/4" outlet I think, and the Race Cat. has inlet and outlet of 2 1/4"'s. I wanted to go with an 2.5" exhaust set-up would the inlets and outlets not matching up cause me to loose power, I mean the piping would get bigger on the way to the muffler right?

[phatdoughnut]

Here we go ladies and gentleman, The first A**hole to jump in the thread.

#1. If you think that stock F22A1 axles will hold up to the increased power of an H22 for a long period of time then you are a UMMMMMM, Dumb _______!. I think if I invest money into a project I would want the strongest and most reliable parts that I could get for my money.

Yes i am an asshole, to ignorent people.

i have 190whp h22, have not even broke an axle yet. HP doesnt brake axles, its wheelhop.

600whp axles for a 170whp project is for someone who is insecure about what they are building or dont know shit.

[phatdoughnut]

#5. Who ever said that building a motor, swapping, hell anything dealing with them was fullproof. I think that's why in the ENGLISH language a word exist out there somewhere called HELP!, See in the thread I talk about Labor Charges for swaps and Oh WOW! I started this thread the 1 that you typed on to get info. and helpful advice WHICH YOU DID NOT GIVE!

if you do a search for "help" you will find out that help will only get you as far as getting something typed to you, unless you have someone local who will come and operate on your car.

getting help is only good if you know WTF you are doing, and know where shit is. That is why alot of people who tackle these so called swaps cant finish them because they think that typing any question will automatically fix their problems, but the truth is that it wont because they etheir dont know where the part is, dont have the right tools, dont have experience, or cant locate a sensor.