Cisco NA F22 non-VTEC SOHC Project - Mild Red

[HondaFan81]

couldnt you have checked the FPR's PSI to make sure thats the problem? Oh and thanks for the T/B reference good research there.

?? I did.

[d112crzy]

Mustang dyno is probably as "real life" as you're going to get. Most other dyno's read higher because everyone loves big numbers, bragging rights...etc.

But a mustang dyno is the most correct dyno there is.

That torque curve is nice.

EDIT*

It's interesting how playing with the cam gear didn't even move the power band around. It really just decreased the entire power band.

IMO, from what I have seen, cam gear+single cam=useless in most cases.

[HondaFan81]

IMO, from what I have seen, cam gear+single cam=useless in most cases.

Exactly, the dyno tuner called me out on this before he ran it for a dyno graph. He was right. He said based on his experience the Honda SOHC motors just don't see much benefit on regrind camshafts playing with cam gears. It's just more intelligent to stick with the stock cam gear, as it is structurally more sound than any adjustable cam gear (no slipping and no money lost).

If you can't read the graph well, 0 degree for cam was best setting for HP/torque, then advanced 2 degree, worst was retarding 2 degree.

I learned from this and now that you all finally see my dyno graph proving this, don't waste your money or I'll come out of nowhere and b*tch slap you silly! I wasted $200 on extra cam tuning, plus $110 on Skunk2 cam gear to find this out for you guys, use it!

Now, if you have a SOHC cam that is not a regrind, like some of Bisimoto's cams, I think cam adjustability will make a difference. I shall see in my white project, as I will spend the money for the extra cam tuning as well.

[HondaFan81]

I learned today that my 152 whp on the Mustang roller dyno I tested on is 8-10% lower than Dynojet #'s. That means I would be at 165-169 whp on a Dynojet.

[prNonVtec4u]

yes sur, that's correct Mustang rollers are known for that

[HondaFan81]

BF Goodrich Traction T/A tires are done on this car, I'm going to Sears tomorrow morning as they open for new Falken ZE912 195/60 R15 tires all-around. Belt shifted on front right tires, need them ASAP. I was going to wait as long as I could before this winter and change them, oh well.

[HondaFan81]

I think what's been causing the off-idle hesitation lately is an exhaust leak. It is more than likely that d**n kamikaze header leaking again. I'm tired of that POS, never buy one!

I may just get a 2nd Bisimoto header for this car for the better quality and 1 piece design, less chance of leaks. There is nothing out there with 2.5" collector that's better than a Kamikaze by design, so whatever. This just sucks, I like to do things right and once, but this product has been an issue, not something I did. What an irritation.

[quakerjoe]

I think what's been causing the off-idle hesitation lately is an exhaust leak. It is more than likely that d**n kamikaze header leaking again. I'm tired of that POS, never buy one!

I may just get a 2nd Bisimoto header for this car for the better quality and 1 piece design, less chance of leaks. There is nothing out there with 2.5" collector that's better than a Kamikaze by design, so whatever. This just sucks, I like to do things right and once, but this product has been an issue, not something I did. What an irritation.

Well at least you have been able to source the problem and can hopefully find a solution...

[HondaFan81]

I was just on the site where I was dyno tuned. Here is a 2000 Prelude SH motor dynoed at the same place I did on Mustang Dyno with I/H/E modifications.

2000 Prelude SH motor I/H/E:

http://www.pure-tuning.com/images/dy...dyno_h22a3.jpg

My dyno graph: F22a1 stock block, 87 octane, headwork, camshaft, ported/bored H23 intake manifold, I/H/E

http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthre...6&page=1&pp=20

[The G-Man]

Look at that VTEC dyno graph. Hopefully the white project will exceed those numbers, and have a flatter torque curve.

[owequitit]

I am pretty sure the white project won't have any trouble exceeding those numbers...

[preludeman92]

Wow. That H22 was either sick or the dyno is reading low. Your red accord came fairly close to it's numbers!

[owequitit]

Wow. That H22 was either sick or the dyno is reading low. Your red accord came fairly close to it's numbers!

That is probably pretty typical of an H22 on a Mustang dyno. There is some controversy that OBDII H22's don't do as well as OBD-I, but I think it was till pretty close. A 100% stock H22 will usually pull about 160-170 on a Dynojet which reads higher in most cases. So this is reasonable for a stock H22 on a Mustang. IMO.

[HondaFan81]

I was at my local performance/dyno shop again today to buy an Ingalls front camber kit for this red Accord (since H&R sport spring drop). Anyhow, in BSing I found that an H22 Type S motor with Bisimoto header dropped down 17Xwhp on this same Mustang dyno supposedly according to his memory.

Anyhow, I'm contemplating getting a 2nd Bisimoto header to replace the POS Kamikaze header I have now that is more than likely leaking AGAIN! I'm getting it more for the better quality because I'm sick of beating a dead horse and it so happens his product is the only one better in quality and performance.

DC sports offers a 2.5" collector for H22 motor now, but I verified they don't with F22, otherwise I would have bought this.

[preludeman92]

Ah, forgot about the Mustang Dyno part. I typically see cars run on Dynapaks. OBD2 preludes on those normally run about 170-175whp depending on the setup with I/H/E.