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    Intermittant stalling

    Ok, I've been dealing with this problem and trying to research it on my own for awhile now, and last night was thrown a monkey wrench into what I was thinking was going on...

    I have a '93 EX sedan, boosted JDM H22. custom downpipe and exhaust set up. I'm not telling you this to brag, just give you a slight idea of what I'm looking at. A couple months ago, one of the welds in my downpipe started splitting. At the time, I didn't have a back up car or enough money to get it fixed, so I kept driving it and tried to baby it along. Well, apparently my babying it wasn't good enough, because the split turned up into outright broken. My exhaust pipe was literally resting on the sub-frame, and all the fumes were floating around under the hood, getting sucked back into the intake on the turbo. As a result of this, the car started running like shit, bogging down periodically. Only when the car was at running temp. Didn't matter if I was at a stoplight, or doing 80 on the freeway, it would still do it. I would simply push in the clutch, rev the engine a few times, and it would seem to clear up.

    Finally, I got the downpipe welded back up and put it back in my car. I was thinking now that the exhaust fumes were going where they were supposed to go, rather than swirling around under the hood, everything would be just dandy. Oh how wrong I was. It ran like a dream the first day. But the second day, it started doing it again. Now remember, I didn't have a back up car at the time, so I had no choice but to keep driving it. After a few days of this, it turned into not just bogging down, but now outright stalling. I'd just push in the clutch and restart it, and keep going on down the road. Annoying, but I can deal with it until I get a chance to research it, check it out, etc. Finally, it got to the point where it was hard to start and sputtered for a few seconds after starting. Also, when it stalled on the freeway, I'd have to pull over, let it set a minute, and it would crank right up. Now I'm aggravated as hell, so I picked up a second car ('92 EX CB9...score!!) and parked the sedan.
    Well, the CB9 busted a trans cooler line yesterday, so I didn't have much choice but to take the sedan to work. It did its usual sputter when starting, then ran fine most of the way to work. Finally stalled out on my close to work, but I just pulled over, let it set, then started it up and finished my commute.

    Now remember, up until now, all these issues have been with the engine at running temp, nice and warm.

    I work nights, so I get out of work when most of you are still sleeping or just waking up. At 5a.m., it's dark and cold outside, I clock out, head to the ol' sedan to go home, and it won't start. It'll crank, the fuel pump is cycling (I've already ruled out the main relay), it even sounds like it's catching for a brief second. Fires a couple times, and then stalls. After 5 minutes of trying to cajole, beg, curse and yell, I give up trying to start the car. I get out and have a smoke to calm my nerves. I decide, as a last ditch effort, to disconnect the battery to 30 seconds and plug it back in. The car starts right away, without sputtering. I'm like WTF!?!? Not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, I promptly drive home and park in the garage. The drive went perfect. No stalling, no bogging, even with the engine at operating temp, everything was fine. After I get home and shut the car off, I decide to try to start it again and see what happens. It fires right up perfectly. No sputter or anything. Odd.

    At first, with the problem being at operating temp, I'm thinking the ignitor in the distributor. I've read that with too much heat, they can fry, similar to how the main relay can do. The plan was to purchase a dizzy today, replace it, and hope that works. But this morning's no start while cold, has me thrown for a loop. I don't know what to think anymore.

    Anyone happen to have any ideas or directions I can troubleshoot in? I love driving my CB7 and hate watching it sit there in the garage collecting dust. Sorry this is so long winded, I wanted to try to be thorough in my description of symptoms. Thanks for any and all help and advise. There's already been countless issues I've solved from using the ol search button, or asking around. You guys rule!
    Originally posted by HardInThePaint
    Girls should most definitely rep the shocker. Embrace the shocker.

    Be one with the shocker.


    My ride: http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=187897

    #2
    I'm going with igniter as well, you can usually take them to your local AutoZone and have them tested.
    Originally posted by Mishakol129
    Do not disrespect my intelligence. I am the smartest person I know : )

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      #3
      x2 on the igniter




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        #4
        Originally posted by dj_ender View Post
        I'm going with igniter as well, you can usually take them to your local AutoZone and have them tested.
        Hi ender, thanks for your help. Would the ignitor act like that when it's cold also? Or exclusively when it's warm? Also, I have the JDM engine, which has an internal ignitor in the dizzy, which means I pull the whole thing off. Which is really no biggie, but would AutoZone be able to test it still?
        Originally posted by HardInThePaint
        Girls should most definitely rep the shocker. Embrace the shocker.

        Be one with the shocker.


        My ride: http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=187897

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          #5
          They are all internal igniter IIRC it's 3 philips head screws that hold it in and the wires on.

          Now there's internal and external coils.

          02 Crv
          02 silverado Ex cab Z71, 2011 TRD 17" wheels, 245/80/17, ls1 cam, AFE intake, 3" catback, tuned by Larry at LSXperformance&pcm tuning driven daily.
          92 Acura Legend colbalt blue LS Coupe, custom intake, custom vibrant 2.5 cat back, led cluster and high beams, 2016 Coyote GT 18x8 wheels 235/40/18.
          Coming Soon Tein TSX coilovers.

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            #6
            Personaly ive only had igniters go out on external coil CBs.

            And right before (at least with mine) it would stall intermittently until it was warm and then it was fine for a while. And i only got by for like two or three cold starts before it went completely out.
            Last edited by H311RA151N; 10-19-2012, 10:42 PM.




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              #7
              Originally posted by hondamikk View Post
              Hi ender, thanks for your help. Would the ignitor act like that when it's cold also? Or exclusively when it's warm? Also, I have the JDM engine, which has an internal ignitor in the dizzy, which means I pull the whole thing off. Which is really no biggie, but would AutoZone be able to test it still?
              The igniter can act like this regardless of temp.You have to remove the igniter from the dizzy, you dont have to remove the entire dizzy and take it with you to AutoZone.

              Originally posted by SOHC-FTW View Post
              They are all internal igniter IIRC it's 3 philips head screws that hold it in and the wires on.

              Now there's internal and external coils.
              Actually, there are only 2 screws that hold the igniter to the dizzy housing.
              Originally posted by Mishakol129
              Do not disrespect my intelligence. I am the smartest person I know : )

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                #8
                IIRC its two screws and three wires on the front and one on the side.

                EDIT: I know Oreillys sells them and calls them Ignition Control Modules.
                Last edited by H311RA151N; 10-19-2012, 10:48 PM.




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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SWMO View Post
                  IIRC its two screws and three wires.
                  4 wires
                  Originally posted by Mishakol129
                  Do not disrespect my intelligence. I am the smartest person I know : )

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                    #10
                    Like i said boys IIRC. Point is once i gave him the info and he get's into it he would see how many screws hold it in lol.

                    02 Crv
                    02 silverado Ex cab Z71, 2011 TRD 17" wheels, 245/80/17, ls1 cam, AFE intake, 3" catback, tuned by Larry at LSXperformance&pcm tuning driven daily.
                    92 Acura Legend colbalt blue LS Coupe, custom intake, custom vibrant 2.5 cat back, led cluster and high beams, 2016 Coyote GT 18x8 wheels 235/40/18.
                    Coming Soon Tein TSX coilovers.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by SOHC-FTW View Post
                      Like i said boys IIRC. Point is once i gave him the info and he get's into it he would see how many screws hold it in lol.
                      I just didn't want the poor guy hunting for a 3rd screw.
                      Originally posted by Mishakol129
                      Do not disrespect my intelligence. I am the smartest person I know : )

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by SOHC-FTW View Post
                        They are all internal ignitor IIRC it's 3 phillips head screws that hold it in and the wires on.

                        Now there's internal and external coils.
                        Ah, I musta gotten the 2 confused. Forgive my foolishness, but would you elaborate on what it'll look like? So I don't somehow manage to take the wrong thing out. lol
                        Originally posted by HardInThePaint
                        Girls should most definitely rep the shocker. Embrace the shocker.

                        Be one with the shocker.


                        My ride: http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=187897

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by dj_ender View Post
                          I just didn't want the poor guy hunting for a 3rd screw.
                          Common sense if two hold it in then he has no need to hunt for a third.

                          http://0.tqn.com/d/autorepair/1/0/5/X/42132021.gif
                          http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225...t8EjfXXvjA.jpg
                          Last edited by SOHC-FTW; 10-19-2012, 10:53 PM.

                          02 Crv
                          02 silverado Ex cab Z71, 2011 TRD 17" wheels, 245/80/17, ls1 cam, AFE intake, 3" catback, tuned by Larry at LSXperformance&pcm tuning driven daily.
                          92 Acura Legend colbalt blue LS Coupe, custom intake, custom vibrant 2.5 cat back, led cluster and high beams, 2016 Coyote GT 18x8 wheels 235/40/18.
                          Coming Soon Tein TSX coilovers.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by dj_ender View Post
                            I just didn't want the poor guy hunting for a 3rd screw.
                            And I probably would be hunting for a 3rd screw too.
                            Originally posted by HardInThePaint
                            Girls should most definitely rep the shocker. Embrace the shocker.

                            Be one with the shocker.


                            My ride: http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=187897

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by hondamikk View Post
                              Ah, I musta gotten the 2 confused. Forgive my foolishness, but would you elaborate on what it'll look like? So I don't somehow manage to take the wrong thing out. lol


                              Even better:

                              Last edited by dj_ender; 10-19-2012, 10:56 PM.
                              Originally posted by Mishakol129
                              Do not disrespect my intelligence. I am the smartest person I know : )

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