Turbo Failure Due To Contamination

[wed3k]

Yep, I've never had a turbo car. But I've installed/tuned more than you've seen.

You have an underlying problem. Figure out why the hell you have metal shavings in the first place. There shouldn't ever be metal shavings in your oil.

what if he never changed the oil from break-in?

[d112crzy]

Then he probably has a bunch of crap from the machining all inside his oil. There's also lots of material that comes off the sleeves upon first start up, no matter how much you cleaned them.

[wed3k]

Then he probably has a bunch of crap from the machining all inside his oil. There's also lots of material that comes off the sleeves upon first start up, no matter how much you cleaned them.

from all the oil filters ive seen at the shop, a lot of the material is bearing or skirts.

[d112crzy]

Yep. The thicker stuff is the sleeve/skirt material.

[jm991700]

Yep, I've never had a turbo car. But I've installed/tuned more than you've seen.

You have an underlying problem. Figure out why the hell you have metal shavings in the first place. There shouldn't ever be metal shavings in your oil.

I never said it was metal, i sad oil contamines, if could be dirt, metal, or other, it could have been anything, the fact is it happen. ANd i found out why i have this problem with my setup and for some reason yall keep saying i dont know what im talking about. If u cant say anything positive get the hell off my thread. I dont need shit talkers on here. I said nothing about yall but yall talk a lot of shit oOnline. Drive a turbo car everday then talk to me.

[wed3k]

I never said it was metal, i sad oil contamines, if could be dirt, metal, or other, it could have been anything, the fact is it happen. ANd i found out why i have this problem with my setup and for some reason yall keep saying i dont know what im talking about. If u cant say anything positive get the hell off my thread. I dont need shit talkers on here. I said nothing about yall but yall talk a lot of shit oOnline. Drive a turbo car everday then talk to me.

but you're talking to us like we dont know what contaminants are. plus, if you were smart you'd open the oil filter up and find out what was floating in the oil.

-Attack the problem
-Assess the situation
-Establish a synopsis with or without a solution

[jm991700]

but you're talking to us like we dont know what contaminants are. plus, if you were smart you'd open the oil filter up and find out what was floating in the oil.

-Attack the problem
-Assess the situation
-Establish a synopsis with or without a solution

DID u READ WHAT I SAID, i said it could have happen that one time. it could have been a one time thing. IT might have happen during my 10th oil change, it might have happen my last oil change. THeres no telling.
What im saying is with the oil adapter, the oil is not going to get filtered like it should.

[19dabeast85]

I have spent the past 10 min lmao in this thread...Good entertainment.

Same here, lol.

I think it IS possible that contamination COULD cycle through the turbo more than once without getting filtered.

However, if you think about the small amount of oil going through the turbo in comparison to the HUGE reservoir of oil in the oil pan......and that the turbo "used" oil just dumps into the pan, gets mixed to hell and back with the rest of the "clean" oil by engine vibrations, bumps in the road, crankshaft, etc., before getting sucked back up to go through the system again....it's very unlikely that the "same" oil would feed through the turbo again.

A sandwich adapter should definitely not be considered a backup-safety device for the turbo in case of oil contamination, BUT it is not the source of your problems....you have much bigger problems elsewhere creating these contaminates.

With a well built, properly broken in, un-abused, clean running engine, the sandwich adapter would never cause an issue for the turbo, the source is elsewhere.

[jm991700]

Same here, lol.

I think it IS possible that contamination COULD cycle through the turbo more than once without getting filtered.

However, if you think about the small amount of oil going through the turbo in comparison to the HUGE reservoir of oil in the oil pan......and that the turbo "used" oil just dumps into the pan, gets mixed to hell and back with the rest of the "clean" oil by engine vibrations, bumps in the road, crankshaft, etc., before getting sucked back up to go through the system again....it's very unlikely that the "same" oil would feed through the turbo again.

A sandwich adapter should definitely not be considered a backup-safety device for the turbo in case of oil contamination, BUT it is not the source of your problems....you have much bigger problems elsewhere creating these contaminates.

With a well built, properly broken in, un-abused, clean running engine, the sandwich adapter would never cause an issue for the turbo, the source is elsewhere.

Like i said before, it could just happen that one time, a one time thing. THis is the second turbo that i had on the car and the first turbo didnt have these problems. The oil adapter was put on with the second turbo. Had not problems with my first turbo without the adapter.

[wed3k]

i wonder if the OP has opened the oil filter yet.

[batever]

The probability of getting some of the "dirty" unfiltered oil back thru the turbo oil feed lines again is actually pretty high, certainly above zero.

But even so, given that on startup most of the oil that gets circulated through the engine just bypasses the oil filter altogether through the pressure bypass means that if you have a decent source of contaminants in the oil you're likely to get it in your turbo, even if you have the turbo set up to take "filtered" oil only rather than through an "unfiltered" sandwich adaptor.

In other words, since the whole engine gets bathed pretty much in oil that bypasses the filter for the first moments of startu[p (someone help me, it must be at least for 45 seconds or so until the oil heats up enough to be able to be filtered properly), the turbo is going to get it too.

So I don't think the sandwich plate issue is really that much of an issue, it's the fact that contaminants are there in the first place. Even if your turbo is set up to take oil downline from the oil filter, it's going to get unfiltered oil in the first seconds of startup because the oil pressure will be so high (because of oil viscosity being so high when the oil is cold) that the oil just bypasses the filter.

(Spoken by a total noob to the topic of forced induction)

**later edit--I think the OP is on to something. Running the turbo oil feed line off the pre-filter oil means that the turbo is exposed to unfiltered oil for the whole time the engine is running, as opposed to just during startup. Seems like a worse bet to me than feeding the turbo post-filter oil.

[turbo90accord]

I run the oil filter sandwich. I am VERY turbo!

To the OP if your running the plate with or without an inline filter you really have two choices.... Get junk in your turbo because you dont have clean oil or clog an inline filter with contaminated oil and burn up your turbo due to restricted oil flow.

your pretty agressive for being an amateur turbo car owner. If i were to smoke a turbo because of oil contamination id damn sure be tearing my motor apart to see where the metal is coming from. being that you did say your motor is rebuilt you also did say that your engine has some miles on it since the rebuild so i am willing to bet that the original dirty oil has since been changed before your turbo went belly up.

Like others have said THOUSANDS of others have run the adaptor with no turbo issues. Your turbo loss is due to an underlying problem and being that you have not stated what type of rebuild you did to your engine im willing to bet your shedding bearing material or dropping piston ring material. Metal flakes and particles dont just appear in an engine the have to come from somewhere! The same goes for other "material" like you stated, dirt or other contamination. It has to come from somewhere, things dont just transport themselves into an oil pan and get sucked up like your oil pan is a star trek transporter. " beam me up contamy" it just doesnt happen.

Being that this is now your second turbo makes me wonder if you may have an over oiling problem and am willing to bet your not running a restrictor on your turbo. Did you know that over oiling a turbo especially a journal bearing turbo can cause damage as well?

Being the HIGHEST HP f22a on here as well as having one of the biggest turbos and a history of turbocharging the f22a im pretty confident in saying the oil adaptor being filtered or not has little to do with your turbo failure and that you either need to buy a better turbo or rethink your oiling system.

[WiKKeDV16]

Solid points...lol at the beam me up contamy..ahhahaha


Also note that contamination..if not resolved..will continue to produce contaminents..

Say..you are having either bearing or piston ring wear issues..

Then shavings..go were?..oil pan..then we're? Up the pickup tube..then were? Oil pump..etc etc etc..shavings could get lodged somewere..and only be released back into the flow of things by another shaving hitting it..possibly causing more shavings..or scarring..

Your attitude towards these guys advice is pretty fun..

Joser could rebuilt an engine in a day..(while shitfaced) and id bet it run a lot better than something you've touched..

Pics of opened filter or ban/epic fail

[HondaFan81]

This thread title has been changed. It is not fair this issue is targeted at a component/company without sufficient support, potentially pushing away future customers.

I have a Greddy oil block adapter and it is a good product. I have no oil leaks or oil issues due to this component.

The only reason I'm keeping this thread open is so the owner can add actual findings to wrap up this story. If I pass this thread again and it remains with constant bickering, I will close it.

[turbo90accord]

This thread title has been changed. It is not fair this issue is targeted at a component/company without sufficient support, potentially pushing away future customers.

I have a Greddy oil block adapter and it is a good product. I have no oil leaks or oil issues due to this component.

The only reason I'm keeping this thread open is so the owner can add actual findings to wrap up this story. If I pass this thread again and it remains with constant bickering, I will close it.

Thank you! I agree that this could be a very valid thread and that targeting a single component in the title is unnecessary.

People need to start helping to zero in on actual technical knowledge rather than provide meaningless post count increasing responses. If people actually start thinking a little more critically before stating something obvious it will not only help further a conversation but also eliminate 15 people stating the same thing and help a person further their diagnosis of their real problem with a vehicle.