whos running a DSM set up?

[chessboxer]

Or stop using DSM parts and upgrade to a real manifold and a real turbo with a real wastegate. Costs more, but won't blow up your motor Until you up the boost enough anyways

Yes, because all of those dsms running stock style turbos in the 10-11's are junk!

Oh wait, all dsms are junk by their very nature, haha.

I personally want a better mani, but Im broke at the moment. I might end up with one of the FP manifolds as well.

[chessboxer]

Good info guys... but i like option 4, seems easiest. Would any chipped ecu have the powert to cut fuel and ignition... or are we talking about something along the lines of a hondata s300?

I don't know about hondata, but I know that most standalones have this capability. Haltech, Motec, etc.

[blazenem]

just read this whole thread alot of good info.

1. question... tuning... whats the best place to read up on tuning to learn how to do it yourself

[Haccord21]

I love this site, and this thread. Just reading this thread i learned more then i did the whole last year in high school. Im currently getting ready for boost, thanks to you guys. lol. quaker joe is helpin me out with pieceing one together. Im gonna start out with the 14b. We figured hes got mostly everything i would need for a full kit. This is the thread ille be refering to as im sure i will have questions. Thanks shadow for this thread and to other that brought up the ?'s that i would of ended up trying to figure out.

[Shadow1]

any time man. i wanted to boost at one point and i wanted know everything i needed to know about doing it with a DSM kit. i also made this thread MAINLY for the new people and some of the members, to know what to do, what parts to get, and tuning options

[Haccord21]

well, i believe you did good. But the 14b that quaker joe has for me, he thinks it might need a rebuild. How does that go? Could i rebuild it? or do i gotta send it to a shop?

[Shadow1]

well, i believe you did good. But the 14b that quaker joe has for me, he thinks it might need a rebuild. How does that go? Could i rebuild it? or do i gotta send it to a shop?

i dunno. im not one for rebuilt parts. id rather buy new or one that i know works. but thats just me. you can TRY to rebuild it if you want. you can gain that experience and then if you get another turbo that needs a rebuild, you can rebuild it yourself. or you can just buy the turbo i have sitting in my shed going to waste lol

[Haccord21]

haha, alright. Pmed you back. what turbo is it though? the 14b?

[WilliamW]

Its funny william..because your idea is so dead on..as to what can be done on a budget to eliminate boost creep(extensive porting and the use of a external gate)..what kills me is that your using a turbonetics deltagate..which is INFAMOUS for boost creep..hell there called deathgates..look what happend to gdoutflip..20psi spike..says the little tell tell laptop with datalogging software..I now have said wastegate and opened it up to insect to see what was the failure..besides the fact that the valve doesn't recess entirely into the chamber (only recessed between 1/4 and 1/2) the spring seal that maintains boost in the chamber(seal that goes around the actual stem of the valve) goes bad on these things...so..my best advice..if you find yourself having to use the deathgate..use a weak spring..(3psi) and work your way up with a boost controller..that way..if it were to ever fail..it should open before too much/if any harm is done

I haven't looked in here for a while now. I've never heard of the "Deathgates" before, That's pretty interesting as it's made by a pretty respectable manufacture. Nothing is actually on yet, but I'm going to start rebuilding my block very VERY soon.

I've seen a lot of TIAL waste gates and people say they love them, no name e-bay brands I won't touch, but if I can I'd like to just use what I have unless for some reason it's obviously bad. I haven't looked at it for a while now. Whatever happens, my boost WILL be under control.

[drummersteve7]

some things I put together, that I forgot on my first setup...

with all the parts you can have it done in a weekend.
all depends on what you ned to do.

few learning experiences from my first build, for anyone planning boost:

1. needed to upgrade clutch:
by the time got boost in and tuned we burned the oem clutch up.
kinda sad cause i had to wait for a clutch to come in.

2. check motor mounts:
two of em mine were toast. lose power this way

3. Head Bolts for exhaust manifold:
you really want the stock stuff on there,
I had some 12mm normal, but it was a bad idea.

4. Takes some time to do the fuel pump:
I read someone cut a whole under the passenger seat on this forum somewhere.
Cant remember but gas tank sucks to drop.

5. Needed couplers for the charge piping:
Had to order, since no one around there has em. Also had to await charge piping.
Then drove to auburn to get piping welded. Since I was using 1st gen DSM BOV,
I needed reducer couplers also for the piping.
So think about BOV piping and maybe order something already fabbed up.

6. Turbo feed line was a pain:
should have went to stealthmode right away!
Plus had trouble getting the T connector on back on the block installed.
Is a lot easier to do with the engine already out.

7. 450cc DSM injectors:
Nothing needs to be dremeled ignore all the people that say so.

I took a month to do it. I wanted to go slow since it was my first build.
and I followed the turbo install instructions pretty much to a T.
Whenever a step got done I just crossed it out.
Very well thought out plans.

Anyways if anyone needs more info lemme know! If your gunna ask me questions tho, you better have done some research, cause knowledge aint free...or is it, especially on this site, you just gotta dig for it.

[judonoh]

I am running a 234k mile stock block that all we did was put new rings in. Just got off the dyno and I am at just over 300 hp/tq. Running a Forced Performance DSM manifold and FP 50trim.

[drummersteve7]

I am running a 234k mile stock block that all we did was put new rings in. Just got off the dyno and I am at just over 300 hp/tq. Running a Forced Performance DSM manifold and FP 50trim.

F22 setup? nice numbers man...whats your complete setup?

[judonoh]

stock f22a w/ new rings and a graphit hg
rc injectors
msd
FP manifold
FP 50 trim
synapse wg/bov
dbl stack intake mani
s300 and misc items

[blazenem]

any updates from the op??

[rum_n_coke]

do you have to eliminate your a/c for this build?