Hondata Kpro? Need some thoughts.

[d112crzy]

Go to Honda-Tech. You belong there.

[bagoon316]

dude andy is on 7thgen right now, you can make a thread there. clint is back in the states now from england so he is on "normal" hours now.

andy = andyman
clint = speedfoos

andy is tuned by Jeff Evans, and i believe clint will be eventually since he is back now.

[Maple50175]

Go to Honda-Tech. You belong there.

nooone replys there either.
and its not organized

[smokeeey420]

yeah i hear the main problem with crome is Crome advances the timing over the tables and you have no control over it.
It is good for stockish motors, but when you have more compression or boost, it becomes harder to control the knock threhold.

Neptune lets you control everything and runs the car better.

have you tryed neptune??
will that work?
can you convert your car to obd1??

[d112crzy]

yeah i hear the main problem with crome is Crome advances the timing over the tables and you have no control over it.
It is good for stockish motors, but when you have more compression or boost, it becomes harder to control the knock threhold.

Neptune lets you control everything and runs the car better.

have you tryed neptune??
will that work?
can you convert your car to obd1??

Crome doesn't do it, the Honda ECU does. Neptune and eCtune have a code to stop this.

[dbsharp]

have you used ECtunebefore? How well does it controll the engine? Im thinking about switching.

[d112crzy]

I haven't, but I've read and heard tons of great feedback about it. It's up to par and better than hondata and neptune.

It hasn't been that long since they've introduced it to the market, so they're still working out bugs here and there for the Pro version. If a licensed eCtune dealer is going to tune you, then you have nothing to worry about because their version is stable from what I hear.

[chessboxer]

What causes crome to be off on the timing? I know that with a standalone like ours, if you are experiencing timing drift, it is generally because your trigger edge settings are incorrect. It might not be this at all, and I was actually unaware that crome had said problem.

[d112crzy]

What causes crome to be off on the timing? I know that with a standalone like ours, if you are experiencing timing drift, it is generally because your trigger edge settings are incorrect. It might not be this at all, and I was actually unaware that crome had said problem.

Exactly. People that don't deal with the software itself have absolutely no clue the problems they have. And how long were you running on crome?

The problem is that the Honda ECU adds timing on top of what is already in the maps. There is no way of controlling how much or when it adds. (in crome only, eCtune/Neptune and I think hondata have coded it to stop adding timing)

Also, there is a limit where above and under a certain point, lower or adding timing has absolutely no effect. This means that while you're trying to still retard timing to say 8*btdc, it won't actually do that but will stop at that limit(i forgot what the 2 limits were). This has been true to setups that use the hi cam so far.

It's been said that the newest version of crome has these bugs fixed, but I've yet to see that with my own logs.

[WiKKeDV16]

its called the honda timing ghost.. at certain points (unscripted) (no way to replicate) it basiclly adds timing anywhere from 2-6degrees.. so basiclly u cant really ever full tune a car.. u must always datalog and have a safe zone (be conservative) which d112 hates.. but i dont mind in the hopes of not grenading an engine.. sure less. power.. but still more than stock (na apps) and a hell of alot more then hacks/piggybacks on forced induction..

Slightly offtopic.. i saw my first honda with an AUTRONIC EMS at my job the other day.. 30psi stroked B series to 2.0L.. damn near nutted... anyword on AUTRONIC chess?

[chessboxer]

Exactly. People that don't deal with the software itself have absolutely no clue the problems they have. And how long were you running on crome?

Over a year. I sadly knew next to nothing about tuning before I got this jorb. I still don't know jack, but I know much more than I used to.

its called the honda timing ghost.. at certain points (unscripted) (no way to replicate) it basiclly adds timing anywhere from 2-6degrees.. so basiclly u cant really ever full tune a car.. u must always datalog and have a safe zone (be conservative) which d112 hates.. but i dont mind in the hopes of not grenading an engine.. sure less. power.. but still more than stock (na apps) and a hell of alot more then hacks/piggybacks on forced induction..

Slightly offtopic.. i saw my first honda with an AUTRONIC EMS at my job the other day.. 30psi stroked B series to 2.0L.. damn near nutted... anyword on AUTRONIC chess?

My boss used to be the US distributor for Autronic. He is now oversight for Dyno Dynamic and Haltech as well. I know a lot of guys like the autronic stuff, its good, but like everything else, it has advantages and disadvantages. Last I heard it did not control dwell (Don't know if this has been changed yet) and there were a couple of other things it wasn't great at, but overall, its a good product, much better than some other companies out there.

[smokeeey420]

alos his emanage probally was good and working.
you can not just use a regular usb cable and hook it to the computer.

there a special non usb cable(printer port style) and people make the special usb cable that have a differnt signal in them.

the best part about emanage was the profec e-01 boost controller,when i had it.

[andyman97]

Lol @ this thread. If nobody has ever used kpro, how are they going to come in and argue how well it works/how buggy it is, are you kidding me? It does exactly what it's supposed to do, WHAT YOU TELL IT TO! As for ignition advance, I dd my car and have absolutely zero driveability problems and everytime I make a pass, my plugs are clean. If you want to talk about knock count off of a knock sensor, you must be joking. Talk about an inaccurate, inconsistant system. Any tuner who knows what they're talking about will tell you a stock honda knock sensor is complete garbage and useless for tuning when making big power. The only TRUE way to know if you're getting knock or not is by reading plugs.