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    Darton MID sleeves

    So I called up my local machine shop about getting and installing the Darton MID sleeves 400-150. They wont do it. They have had multiple Honda blocks drop sleeves before with Dartons. They had a local high performance shop here called adrenaline motor sports call them up and request the installation of Darton MID sleeves in one of it's motors. They didn't do it. Adrenaline Motor Sports sent the block off the Darton directly and after 3 races the sleeves dropped - so I hear.

    Has anyone here had issues with Darton MID sleeves? I've been told that LA Sleeves is a much better choice and is much closer to a true sleeve than the Dartons.


    Please if you haven't had any experience with this product in your engine I'd really prefer not to hear about how a buddy of a friend of yours installed their sleeves with a dremel in their back yard and how tough they are and blah blah blah. DIRECT EXPERIENCE! Other wise your in the same boat I am. lol.
    Been a long time. Still alive...
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    can you explain drop sleeves?

    my shop installs sleeves but no experience with the MID's.
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      #3
      They explained it to me like this. With the MID sleeves the sleeve and deck are all one. When a sleeve is "dropped" the deck height of that sleeve will be lower than the rest so it looks like part of the deck is recessed.

      I'm not quite sure of it myself but they said they called Darton directly and explained to them that they followed the instructions and there is no room for operator error since it's all CNC milled.


      I'm just trying to see if anyone else has heard about this or experienced this.

      If so I'll just go with the open deck L.A. Sleeves. I really don't think I'll be making more than 400 hp anyway.
      Been a long time. Still alive...

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        #4
        Any sleeve company sleeves can drop. Its not the actuall sleeve its the installation.

        Just because its CNC does not mean its 100% right. The table could be off, the block could be not squared properly, they didnt identify the edge of the block right. There are alot of factors that could cause problems.

        If you are having problems with darton sleeves then try a different company.

        If I remembered right benson sleeves are modifed darton mid sleeves.

        You can go through these guys,
        http://www.laskeyracing.com/shop/hseries.htm

        I have Golden eagle sleeves. While there is nothing wrong with their work, Their customer service is not the best. Not the worse but not the best. If you want to get golden eagle sleeves go directly throgh them. I made a mistake and went through Camp1320 and was a big pain in the ass. They still owe me $120 for things they never did.

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          #5
          im guessing you have an open deck motor. i had an h22a4 with open deck and they wouldnt install the mid kit bc of the problems mentioned above. i waited until after i blew my jdm h22 and just used the darton iron sleeves. i didnt check to see if anyone else made some good mid sleeve kit that wont fail.
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            #6
            I have darton mid sleeves in my motor. Besides from the machine shop cracking 2 blocks installing them... on the 3rd block they got it right... I have not had any problems with them dropping and i've had the head off 2 times to replace headgaskets and upgrade to studs... and everything looked good... Too bad my cars been off the road for a few years cause i need a new turbo and i'm broke...
            12.5 at 114.6mph 15psi
            11.7 and 11.5 20.5psi
            F22a1
            60-1 td06h turbo
            Darton mid sleeves
            85.5 wiseco 8.8:1 forged pistons
            Crower pro billet rods
            Custom ported head.
            KMS valves
            F23 headgasket
            ARP H23 headstuds
            H23 upper intake manifold
            F22a6 lower intake manifold
            Intake manifold is gutted
            AEM EMS 1040u
            FIC 850cc injectors
            Walbro 255 pump
            H23 manual trans
            Prelude shifter assembly
            Forbidden short throw
            Nitrous Express Kit installed, never used on this motor

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              #7
              Originally posted by fast93accord View Post
              I have darton mid sleeves in my motor. Besides from the machine shop cracking 2 blocks installing them... on the 3rd block they got it right... I have not had any problems with them dropping and i've had the head off 2 times to replace headgaskets and upgrade to studs... and everything looked good... Too bad my cars been off the road for a few years cause i need a new turbo and i'm broke...
              How long have you had your sleeves installed. I'm ultimately going for reliability and not power. So when I hear that the block could fail, I'm pretty turned off.
              Been a long time. Still alive...

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                #8
                Originally posted by WilliamW View Post
                How long have you had your sleeves installed. I'm ultimately going for reliability and not power. So when I hear that the block could fail, I'm pretty turned off.
                Both blocks that the machine shop cracked were cracked on the crank bearing journal area... They said they pressed the sleeves in... and on the 3rd block they didnt press them as hard... I think it was more as user error... I drove the car for 1 year on the street and put 7k on the motor... and i did run 20psi a few times at the dragstrip...
                12.5 at 114.6mph 15psi
                11.7 and 11.5 20.5psi
                F22a1
                60-1 td06h turbo
                Darton mid sleeves
                85.5 wiseco 8.8:1 forged pistons
                Crower pro billet rods
                Custom ported head.
                KMS valves
                F23 headgasket
                ARP H23 headstuds
                H23 upper intake manifold
                F22a6 lower intake manifold
                Intake manifold is gutted
                AEM EMS 1040u
                FIC 850cc injectors
                Walbro 255 pump
                H23 manual trans
                Prelude shifter assembly
                Forbidden short throw
                Nitrous Express Kit installed, never used on this motor

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by fast93accord View Post
                  Both blocks that the machine shop cracked were cracked on the crank bearing journal area... They said they pressed the sleeves in... and on the 3rd block they didnt press them as hard... I think it was more as user error... I drove the car for 1 year on the street and put 7k on the motor... and i did run 20psi a few times at the dragstrip...
                  What happened to it? Did your sleeves eventually fail? Did the block itself fail?



                  I've decided to just do it right. I've talked with Bisimoto and their reps are FAST like none other. I replied to an email with my personal information and within 5 min I had a phone call from them.

                  I've settled on sending my block to bisi and getting the golden eagle sleeves. It's nice they come with a warrenty and none of their blocks have failed, to my knowledge and to the reps knowledge, EVER! I thought that's pretty cool.
                  Been a long time. Still alive...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by WilliamW View Post
                    What happened to it? Did your sleeves eventually fail? Did the block itself fail?



                    I've decided to just do it right. I've talked with Bisimoto and their reps are FAST like none other. I replied to an email with my personal information and within 5 min I had a phone call from them.

                    I've settled on sending my block to bisi and getting the golden eagle sleeves. It's nice they come with a warrenty and none of their blocks have failed, to my knowledge and to the reps knowledge, EVER! I thought that's pretty cool.
                    I had no problems with the golden eagle sleeves themselves. Just the service getting to the sleeving.

                    Just make sure you get everything done the same time. Send your pistons to them with the block so they can bore and hone it the same time.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by WilliamW View Post
                      What happened to it? Did your sleeves eventually fail? Did the block itself fail?



                      I've decided to just do it right. I've talked with Bisimoto and their reps are FAST like none other. I replied to an email with my personal information and within 5 min I had a phone call from them.

                      I've settled on sending my block to bisi and getting the golden eagle sleeves. It's nice they come with a warrenty and none of their blocks have failed, to my knowledge and to the reps knowledge, EVER! I thought that's pretty cool.
                      I havent had anything with my block or sleeves fail...Theyre great!!! My cars been off the road cause i need a new turbo... and being a home owner, i no longer have $$$ at this moment in life...
                      12.5 at 114.6mph 15psi
                      11.7 and 11.5 20.5psi
                      F22a1
                      60-1 td06h turbo
                      Darton mid sleeves
                      85.5 wiseco 8.8:1 forged pistons
                      Crower pro billet rods
                      Custom ported head.
                      KMS valves
                      F23 headgasket
                      ARP H23 headstuds
                      H23 upper intake manifold
                      F22a6 lower intake manifold
                      Intake manifold is gutted
                      AEM EMS 1040u
                      FIC 850cc injectors
                      Walbro 255 pump
                      H23 manual trans
                      Prelude shifter assembly
                      Forbidden short throw
                      Nitrous Express Kit installed, never used on this motor

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by WilliamW View Post
                        I've decided to just do it right. I've talked with Bisimoto and their reps are FAST like none other. I replied to an email with my personal information and within 5 min I had a phone call from them.
                        Bisimoto prides itself on excellent customer service.
                        Bisimoto Engineering
                        1) Call 1-888-9BC-MOTO(888-922-6686 ext. 1) Mon-Fri 9am-6pm PST
                        2) Email me, robert@bisimoto.com
                        3) Contact me on AIM, robert@bisimoto.com

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by fast93accord View Post
                          I havent had anything with my block or sleeves fail...Theyre great!!! My cars been off the road cause i need a new turbo... and being a home owner, i no longer have $$$ at this moment in life...
                          Sucks, doesn't it?
                          I want to see your car run again, man! You might possibly be the fastest turbo F22 on the site.






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