h22 Rebuild

[Haccord21]

So guys, Ive been wanting to get an H22 for quiet some time now. Probably like most others do too. But i ran across an h22 on craigslist for 400 bucks.Not sure what all is included. The reason its so cheap is because he said it needs new rings and cam gears. So if i got it, it would be me first rebuild. But if i had to replace the rings, does that mean ide have to replace the pistons, rods and send the block to a shop?? Im just learning and trying to see if it would be worth it. I was thinking about just a rebuild not for performance anything special but just to get it running and have it back to good, reliable shape. I have my f22a6 to get me around so its not like i have to get it swapped right away, but i figured it could be a learning experience and could enjoy the power of an h22 a little more knowning i did some work. What do you guys think the average cost would be? for stock oem honda parts? thanks

[d112crzy]

You will have to open it up first and check what you need to replace. For $400, I wouldn't trust a damn thing the guy said, no matter how much you know him. I bought my "low mileage" h22 for $400 from someone reputable on this board and it had rod knock upon first start up.

You won't need to replace the pistons unless there's some serious damage/scratches in them. Just replace rings/bearings and all gaskets/seals.

[Haccord21]

Yea I don't know the guy. It was just on craigslist. He doesn't seem to know to much he doesn't know what's all wrong with it. But I wanna rebuild it anyways. But if the rings went bad couldn't that cause scaring or something to the cylinder walls? Which would mean I would need to get the block re sleeved or possibly bored out at all?

[d112crzy]

There will definitely be some scarring, but if you can run your fingernail across the sleeve without getting it caught, you're good. If you do get it caught and it's not TOO deep, you can take it to a shop to get honed.

Now, not all shops know how to properly hone an FRM block, so you'll have to do your homework on that. But you still don't need oversized pistons.

[Haccord21]

Cool. he said in his post he would drop the price. just not sure how much he would drop the price. i found an h22 thats runnin with lsd tranny but he wants money, which i cant get right away. But how much do you think it would cost to get the block honed? If i got the block taken care of, would you suggest replacing everything, or just taking it apart making sure everything looks fine and clean it up? Never worked on a engine internally but i have friends for help. I would have all the time i need to save money for replacing parts though, it wouldnt be something ide rush at all.

[mozzandherb]

Instead of buying a motor that might have problems, why not just get one that is in better condition? If you don't want to rebuild it for performance, in my opinion there is no need to buy a sketchy motor, unless you want to learn how to build a damaged motor then go ahead and buy the $400 one, it's up to you, that's just my opinion
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[Haccord21]

Well the thing is that i did find a perfectly fine h22. For 2000 bucks. Comes with lsd tranny too. Which is awesome. But i was thinking it might be cheaper to get an h22 that needs the rebuild, I was thinking it might cost less then the h22 i was trying to get. Im stuck between the two. But the guy with the 400 dollar h22 hasnt even written me back. All i need to do is sell my f20a and i can get the perfectly fine running h22. its still in his crx so i know its running fine. later on in life after im in the service. I will be getting an h22 for a performance rebuild. probably na or boost. Do you guys agree that i would save more by rebuilding an h22?

[d112crzy]

You can do a complete rebuild for about $800-$1000 depending on machine shop costs and what exactly you do.

Sure, you'll save money. You won't have LSD tho. But you will have a brand new spanking engine.

[Haccord21]

Damn thats true. He still hasnt wrote back. Just sold my ps3 for 300. If i can find someone for the f20a, i can have the h22 with lsd. And then im trading my neuspeed strut bar for a chipped p28. I just wish selling an f20a was easier then this lol. Its the only thing holding me back.

[N9netwoAccord]

after a full rebuild on my h22 the only machine work i had done was getting my crank grinded, i paid about 900 total in parts. its cheaper, and my motor is brand new.

[Haccord21]

Damn 900 for a new rebuild. I dont think thats bad at all. I just got a job too, so i will being making some more money instead of just trying to sell parts. Im still waiting on his reply though. i wish he could reply as fast as you guys do on here.

[Haccord21]

So the guy finally wrote back. I asked a few questions but it doesnt come with the tranny or an ecu. Ecu is fine and trannys fine too, since any f or h tranny will bolt up. If everything sounds good from his end, and he lowers the price on the h22 i just might get it. But now my new question, Dealerships are crazy with pricing on parts, so wheres a good place i could find a rebuild kit, pistons, rods, rings, etc? If i do it i wanna do the build it the right way. I also remember something about if i used f22 rods i would gain a higher compression, is this correct? Or is it something i wouldnt get any gains of of?

[GhostAccord]

If you use F22 rods you will not have a higher compression. You would have a shorter stroke = less compression. If you used an F22 crank and H22 rods that would net you a higher compression. But that also requires special pistons.

F22 rod length = 141mm
H22 rod length = 143.5mm

F22 crank stroke = 95mm
H22 crank stroke = 90.7mm

I'm going to hazard a guess that no matter what way you go. To do it right your going to be dishing out at least $2000-$2500 in total. Maybe more! Depending on if the $400 H22 needs any internals other than rings.

Don't forget to add the running maintenance parts to your list of parts. Timing and balance shaft belts, manual tension conversion(recommended but not manditory), water pump and timing gears.

$900 is a low price for a complete rebuild, new engine as you call it. What did that consist of? I wouldn't consider putting $900 into an H22 as a NEW engine. I wouldn't even call that refreshed. But that's just my opinion though. I know that it costs money to have things done properly.

A $400 H22 sounds like you may run into some other problems. Have you asked him why you need new timing gears? It's odd for an engine not to come with timing gears. Unless he has aftermarket ones that he is keeping.

[Haccord21]

yea, i had a feeling 900 to 1000 wasnt a goood price. But im having a hard time finding sites to go to to add things up. He said the cam gears were aftermarket and wanted to keep them. Just hasnt explained why/what else was or is wrong with the engine.

[GhostAccord]

yea, i had a feeling 900 to 1000 wasnt a goood price. But im having a hard time finding sites to go to to add things up. He said the cam gears were aftermarket and wanted to keep them. Just hasnt explained why/what else was or is wrong with the engine.

Hondapartsdeals.com is a good place to get an estimate for OEM parts.

PISTON SET OF 4 A (STD) $187.48
RING SET OF 4 (STD) $136.36
CONNECTING RODS SET OF 4 - $402.60
CONNECTING ROD BEARING A SET OF 4 - $67.28
WATER PUMP 7 GASKET (YAMADA) $64.03
THERMOSTAT ASSY. & GASKET(FUJI THOMPSON) $17.56
TIMING BELT PULLEY SET OF 2 - $80.64
TIMING BELT (155YU24 A-555) $54.47
BALANCER BELT (UNITTA) $33.15
CYLINDER HEAD GASKET KIT - $232.28
CYLINDER BLOCK GASKET KIT - $58.52
BALANCER BELT ADJUSTER (NIPPON SEIKO) $51.72
BELT ADJUSTER, SPRING B - $2.20
BALANCER BELT ADJUSTER BRACKET - $6.09
TIMING BELT ADJUSTER (NIPPON SEIKO) $53.96
TIMING BELT ADJUSTER SPRING - $3.25
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Sub-Total: $1,451.59

This list would give you everything but a new crank,thrust and main bearings. This would be a completely fresh bottom end build. Not sure if you really need all this but it is what you were looking for + the other stuff you should get. IE, Water pump, timing and balance belts (with the manual tension conversion).