Proof on what happens when you turbo a h23

[93sleeper]

Most of you guys on here love the h22 over the h23a(92-96 si). I understand why......because of the V-tec and that's cool. But my question is....what happens when you turbo the h22 vs. h23? Now that's a different ball game and I want to show you guys what happens. I am currently running a h23 in my 2 door accord. I had it built and turboed and I am running a T3/T4 60-1. Anyway, take a look at this dyno sheet and let me know you think. Now just imagine you had the h22 you would get the same horsepower or maybe a little bit more with about mid 200 torque while I am running about the around same horsepower with a mid 400 torque? Which motor would you go with h22 or the h23? Also it's all h23, I never changed the top end....So what you guys think?

[wed3k]

that graph is 56k friendly.

[C91BLX7]

The problem with turbo'd H22 is that the sleeves arnt very strong, and the difference between the H23 and H22 is the head and .1L . So your still stuck with the weak sleeves.

[Mango honda]

cant see

[10thcb7]

i think euro r wheels are cool. + you may need some pics for the nay sayers

[93sleeper]

Sorry the graph is kinda small

Sorry it is kinda small.....So here is the sum up of it....

Horsepower: 504.1
Torque: 437

[93sleeper]

Finally got it.....



Here it is.....I probably would got more power but the tires started slipping on the dyno..Smilin

[93sleeper]

You lost me.....

The problem with turbo'd H22 is that the sleeves arnt very strong, and the difference between the H23 and H22 is the head and .1L . So your still stuck with the weak sleeves.

I am lost on what you mean. Both motors are built for a turbo setup so they are both sleeved.....So why do sleeves become an issue? I am lost....

[blizzard335]

I am lost on what you mean. Both motors are built for a turbo setup so they are both sleeved.....So why do sleeves become an issue? I am lost....

I fink he meant the strength of the sleeves

[d112crzy]

The problem with turbo'd H22 is that the sleeves arnt very strong, and the difference between the H23 and H22 is the head and .1L . So your still stuck with the weak sleeves.

FRM sleeves are very strong and durable.

Pistons/ringlands will go before anything else does.

Good job on the power. Who built/tuned it for you?

[Leung]

not to be a wise ass or anything but what does FRM stand for anyways?

[Cb_JoeyG]

not to be a wise ass or anything but what does FRM stand for anyways?

bump* im curious too ???lol

[sac98494]

fiber reinforced metal

from wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_matrix_composite
"Honda has used aluminum metal matrix composite cylinder liners in some of their engines, including the B21A1, H22A and H23A, F20C and F22C, and the C32B used in the NSX. Toyota has since used metal matrix composites in the Yamaha designed 2ZZ-GE engine which is used in the later Lotus Lotus Elise S2 versions as well as Toyota car models. Porsche also uses MMCs to reinforce the engine's cylinder sleeves in the Boxster and 911."

from turbo mag
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/06.../photo_14.html

[oneoffaccord]

thats crazy power for a non-vtec h series. whats ur mod list like?

[chessboxer]

Pics of the setup?
And while im not a big h22 guy myself, I think that if there is a flaw in your logic. If someone were to build an h22 they would come out with more than just the tq levels you are saying. However, if you are talking about non built h22 vs non built h23, then yes, I believe the H23 will produce better power and hold more boost.
I could be wrong, but thats just my mode of thought.
Awesome numbers though, pics? mod list? psi? how are you tuned?