Need advice on whether or not to put "ebay" lowering springs on.

[bcjammerx]

wow, so lowering springs now are for ricer noobs... ok... no comment on that

yes they are...I shall elaborate

$30 especially

lowering springs do not equal a suspension overhaul or suspension upgrade...

Which is what ricer noobs do...change one component and think they've done some sort of performance upgrade.

lowering springs tend to be low quality and poorly made.

coil over kits are high dollar for a reason lower springs are not...there is a reason for this.

lowering springs put on a car...even with new struts...will cause the struts to fail prematurely and will prevent them from working properly.


Ricer noob = someone with enough knowledge about working on cars to be dangerous.

They do not have enough mechanical knowledge or prowess to understand what they are doing and why they might do what they want to do...all they know is...
"LOOKS COOL!" "I CAN CHANGE THIS PART!" "LOOKS SOMEWHAT BUT NOT REALLY LIKE THE PROS...SO IT MUST BE GOOD"

[GenDBlade]

yeah deff agree that if u are going to do ebay products at least look for something that comes with a reliable name. also if u are going to mess with ur suspension do it all at once.

[prNonVtec4u]

yes they are...I shall elaborate

$30 especially

lowering springs do not equal a suspension overhaul or suspension upgrade...

Which is what ricer noobs do...change one component and think they've done some sort of performance upgrade.

lowering springs tend to be low quality and poorly made.

coil over kits are high dollar for a reason lower springs are not...there is a reason for this.

lowering springs put on a car...even with new struts...will cause the struts to fail prematurely and will prevent them from working properly.


Ricer noob = someone with enough knowledge about working on cars to be dangerous.

They do not have enough mechanical knowledge or prowess to understand what they are doing and why they might do what they want to do...all they know is...
"LOOKS COOL!" "I CAN CHANGE THIS PART!" "LOOKS SOMEWHAT BUT NOT REALLY LIKE THE PROS...SO IT MUST BE GOOD"

so spending money on something like a full Skunk2 setup or Neuspeed setup is nothing but noob item, even though there IS in a difference handling/turning quality but still comfortable enough for daily driving, ok

[SN2BH22CB7]

suspension.....its common sense..

suspension parts are what keeps the car stable!

NEVER cheap out on suspension or brake parts!

if in doubt...get OEM parts. ( from Honda )

but if you want to lower your CB the right way....save up like $1800...and get some good shocks and springs with spring seats.

KONI
TEIN
SKUNK2
TOKICO
GROUND CONTROL

..etc..etc

those aren't cheap brands..and they are tuneable! ( height and damper adjustable )

never ....never..ever buy cheap suspension parts...( tie rod ends...ball joints...control arms...shock forks...stabilizer bar...etc..etc..

if you do buy cheap parts...you must NOT value your life!

PLAIN AND SIMPLE as that!


thats like using hardend aluminum cotterpins in your balljoint ends...when you're suppose to use steel cotterpins ( very stupid choice )

[bcjammerx]

so spending money on something like a full Skunk2 setup or Neuspeed setup is nothing but noob item, even though there IS in a difference handling/turning quality but still comfortable enough for daily driving, ok

You did not read my post...please read it again.

Just in case anyone else skimmed over and didn't read... I will elaborate a little.

"Springs only even with new struts" I did not imply performance struts, sometimes people replace their old struts with OEM struts and then slap on lowering springs...but even with "performance struts" put on with lowering springs...unless you are using the struts designed to be used with a lowered car...you will ruin them...do you understand why this is? The struts are not meant to be compressed ALL the time. With lowering spring you keep the struts compressed, also, you greatly reduce the pistons range of movement.

I also said,
"coil over kits are high dollar for a reason lower springs are not...there is a reason for this." Coil over kits...KITS...are high dollar for a reason...a skunk2 setup would be a kit...not just springs. Same with Neuspeed setup...it would be a suspension system upgrade/overhaul. Do we see the difference between one part and a system? Speakers are an example of a part...head unit, wires, speakers, boxes, amp, etc etc...is an example of a system (along with proper tuning of that system)

As to what I said about that...
"lowering springs do not equal a suspension overhaul or suspension upgrade"
Springs alone are not an upgrade...they are not an overhaul...a suspension system is composed of PERFORMANCE springs, struts, sway bars, control arms, bushings, etc etc...Do we understand why that is? This is because unless the suspension system keeps the ride height OEM, you will not be able to use JUST coil overs. If the ride height is the same then you are fine...but if you lower the car, you will need to fix the alignment (camber caster). Does everyone know why this is? Tire wear and reduced cornering speed as a result of excessive camber angles. Potentially reduced handling as a result of excessive caster angles. That is where tuning the suspension comes into play.

Lowering springs alone are not an upgrade...a complete overhaul with better parts is...just a coil over kit that lowers the car is much much better than lowering springs alone...but if you do not address the camber/caster issue then you will reduce your cornering speeds and will wear tires unevenly.

Please completely read my posts to avoid further misunderstanding.

And I say again...
Ricer noobs = Do not have enough mechanical knowledge or prowess to understand what they are doing and why they might do what they want to do.

[SN2BH22CB7]

You did not read my post...please read it again.

Just in case anyone else skimmed over and didn't read... I will elaborate a little.

"Springs only even with new struts" I did not imply performance struts, sometimes people replace their old struts with OEM struts and then slap on lowering springs...but even with "performance struts" put on with lowering springs...unless you are using the struts designed to be used with a lowered car...you will ruin them...do you understand why this is? The struts are not meant to be compressed ALL the time. With lowering spring you keep the struts compressed, also, you greatly reduce the pistons range of movement.

I also said,
"coil over kits are high dollar for a reason lower springs are not...there is a reason for this." Coil over kits...KITS...are high dollar for a reason...a skunk2 setup would be a kit...not just springs. Same with Neuspeed setup...it would be a suspension system upgrade/overhaul. Do we see the difference between one part and a system? Speakers are an example of a part...head unit, wires, speakers, boxes, amp, etc etc...is an example of a system (along with proper tuning of that system)

As to what I said about that...
"lowering springs do not equal a suspension overhaul or suspension upgrade"
Springs alone are not an upgrade...they are not an overhaul...a suspension system is composed of PERFORMANCE springs, struts, sway bars, control arms, bushings, etc etc...Do we understand why that is? This is because unless the suspension system keeps the ride height OEM, you will not be able to use JUST coil overs. If the ride height is the same then you are fine...but if you lower the car, you will need to fix the alignment (camber caster). Does everyone know why this is? Tire wear and reduced cornering speed as a result of excessive camber angles. Potentially reduced handling as a result of excessive caster angles. That is where tuning the suspension comes into play.

Lowering springs alone are not an upgrade...a complete overhaul with better parts is...just a coil over kit that lowers the car is much much better than lowering springs alone...but if you do not address the camber/caster issue then you will reduce your cornering speeds and will wear tires unevenly.

Please completely read my posts to avoid further misunderstanding.

And I say again...
Ricer noobs = Do not have enough mechanical knowledge or prowess to understand what they are doing and why they might do what they want to do.

very nice....couldn't of said better myself!

once you lower a car...you completely throw off the alignment of the car

but if you do it right...you're good!

bcjammerx explained it well!

[prNonVtec4u]

now we're on the same page

[TheHunter]

Hey guys I found a pretty sweet set-up of shocks for my car. Don't know if there's something similar for CB7's, but check this out: http://www.hardtopguy.com/store/home.php?cat=73 -scroll down to the suspension. There is aparently a set of Honda Factory Performance shocks available for my car, with slight modifcation (using the kits provided there) that will drop my car by about 1" and give it incredibly better handling. What do you guys think?

OH! and I almost forgot.
I just had my car aligned, and all of the tires were off because of it being lowered and raised back up again. They were able to fix all of them, but one. My rear right strut is totalled because of cheap ebay lowering springs! I need to get a new one now, or my camber will be messed up permenantly on that tire. (Low-profile tires are not cheap to have to replace often).

[wed3k]

if ebay springs are springs that were bought off ebay, id say mine run well.

however they are ksports.

[oranger]

I know there are a lot of posts about this, but I want to know what your opinions are.

Ummm first of all, if you read all the other posts you'd probably have an easy answer and wouldnt waste space with this silly thread. 8 billion people have asked the same frickin question!

But if you want my clearcut answer. No get some real springs, Megan racings are wonderful a lot of guys like the nuespeeds or s techs. look around open your eyeds, do your own damn research.