F20b identical too h22?

[blizzard335]

Thanks

but what's the difference between 200 PS and 200 HP?

metric conversion units.

1PS = 0.986 hp (SAE)

200PS = 197hp.

[lo-specials]

metric conversion units.

1PS = 0.986 hp (SAE)

200PS = 197hp.

Thank you my friend

[Vtechno]

i had asked hmotors about the difference, and he 100% promised id get the manual version, because they sell the tranny off the swaps. iive had 7 friends right off the top of my head, that bought motors from hmotors and have been really happy.

[Vtechno]

I was gonna say..if you like to rev, then f20b is the way to go.

http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthre...highlight=f20b


..from that thread. That pretty much sums it up.

Sounds to me, like youd like the f20 better.

thanks bruh. i read the whole thread before i actually registered. ive been using my friends accounts for like 5 years now, i figured it was time too get one myself, lol. i had a 94 prelude (h23) when i was 18. it was pimp. too bad i didnt know what i knew now......its be sick. something was wrong with the motor and i could afford too keep swapping blocks, workin at KFC and going too school. now i build all my own motors, lol.

[Vtechno]

pistons are different, valves are different, rods are different.

bolt ons, cams, springs, retainers, timing belt, is all same. throttle body and intake manifold size is different, but bolts up same. dont use h22 intake manifold either, gives a bouncey idle for some reason

i can understand the pistons being different, due too the higher comp. i cal also understand the rods being different, due too the lower stroke ratio. What i dont get is why the valves are different? are the cut different or is it a size thing?
Regardless aftermarket valvetrain shit will work on either? how comfident are you? honestly i think the heads are basically the same its just "stock upgrades" from the factory.

[Vtechno]

too put things too rest. like previously stated in the other thread, its just a personal opinion. i can deal with less torque, for faster recving. my hatch now has a 8lb flywheel......goodbye torque, BUT it makes up for it on top end.

the main thing i want too know is which would be easier too swap in and still maintain ac and ps. from the looks of it, if i do have any problems, ill have the same ones with the h22 and f20.

problem is, if i do order the f20, itll come as a complete longblock and everything is obd2. im not a f/h series specialist here, but obd2 stuff is usually more expensive, correct me if im wrong. if my alternator, ps, or ac goes out, i dont want too pay out the ass.

should i just start a whole nother thread for which obd preference?

[nolehorridus]

i can understand the pistons being different, due too the higher comp. i cal also understand the rods being different, due too the lower stroke ratio. What i dont get is why the valves are different? are the cut different or is it a size thing?
Regardless aftermarket valvetrain shit will work on either? how comfident are you? honestly i think the heads are basically the same its just "stock upgrades" from the factory.

fuck no, shit, it's not a h22a with upgrades or downgrades, they made the motor specifically for a racing division that the h22a couldn't compete it, had to be 2 liters, not 2.2.

it's not a "tradeoff", it's an actual sacrifice that was made to create this motor. revving high is fucking pointless, if all cars could make 1000000000hp at 100rpm, they'd all do it. hondas rev high because they HAVE to use a cam profile that makes power way up in the RPM, they can't move enough air with the smaller motors to make much low end grunt.

it's high rpm power or no power.

if you "like revving" then it doesn't matter what you get really, you're gonna rev the piss out of it either way, right? you're gonna do 40 in 2nd gear to hear it, aren't you?

all that matters is money, really. the positives for daily use are that the f20b is less common (different factor, if you wanna pay for that), and a BIT more well suited to a n/a build up without any internal mods.

the negatives? higher compression (less forgiving of shitty gas on a hot day, the honda knock sensor won't protect you because after 5500 rpm, they shut down), worse gas mileage when driven a bit hard, more complicated swap, some parts are NOT the same as the other h series, PRICE is almost always higher, some were 180hp auto motors and people sell them as the 200hp version.

v4lu3s has or had that motor a long time ago and you might wanna contact him about whether or not it would be right for you. i've seen them, worked on them and helped others with THEIR swaps, but i'd probably never buy one for myself. i just don't see the point.

[nolehorridus]

too put things too rest. like previously stated in the other thread, its just a personal opinion. i can deal with less torque, for faster recving. my hatch now has a 8lb flywheel......goodbye torque, BUT it makes up for it on top end.

the main thing i want too know is which would be easier too swap in and still maintain ac and ps. from the looks of it, if i do have any problems, ill have the same ones with the h22 and f20.

problem is, if i do order the f20, itll come as a complete longblock and everything is obd2. im not a f/h series specialist here, but obd2 stuff is usually more expensive, correct me if im wrong. if my alternator, ps, or ac goes out, i dont want too pay out the ass.

should i just start a whole nother thread for which obd preference?

think the f20b has an electric powersteering mechanism.

[blizzard335]

think the f20b has an electric powersteering mechanism.

EPS with variable assist

and VGR.

[Vtechno]

fuck no, shit, it's not a h22a with upgrades or downgrades, they made the motor specifically for a racing division that the h22a couldn't compete it, had to be 2 liters, not 2.2.

it's not a "tradeoff", it's an actual sacrifice that was made to create this motor. revving high is fucking pointless, if all cars could make 1000000000hp at 100rpm, they'd all do it. hondas rev high because they HAVE to use a cam profile that makes power way up in the RPM, they can't move enough air with the smaller motors to make much low end grunt.

it's high rpm power or no power.

if you "like revving" then it doesn't matter what you get really, you're gonna rev the piss out of it either way, right? you're gonna do 40 in 2nd gear to hear it, aren't you?

all that matters is money, really. the positives for daily use are that the f20b is less common (different factor, if you wanna pay for that), and a BIT more well suited to a n/a build up without any internal mods.

the negatives? higher compression (less forgiving of shitty gas on a hot day, the honda knock sensor won't protect you because after 5500 rpm, they shut down), worse gas mileage when driven a bit hard, more complicated swap, some parts are NOT the same as the other h series, PRICE is almost always higher, some were 180hp auto motors and people sell them as the 200hp version.

v4lu3s has or had that motor a long time ago and you might wanna contact him about whether or not it would be right for you. i've seen them, worked on them and helped others with THEIR swaps, but i'd probably never buy one for myself. i just don't see the point.

inhale, exhale bruh, lol. you made a strong point. are you saying its a whole different motor? would anyone like too argue his point? and i remember reading about the powersteering on a h-t thread a while ago. no big deal, ill just use my shit.

[Vtechno]

well ive decided for the h22. UNLESS the f20b doent have the FRM cylinder walls. i still have too decide on which obd.

my reasonin is due too Fizzbob on Accordtuner shutting some bitches down. i plan on modding it A LOT like all my other motors, and everything thing that seems too make the f20b as good im just going too be changing anyways (ie: cams, intake and exhaust). PLUS i cant use the powersteering. The h22 is here in the states.

there are other reasons too support my choice, but im a bit distracted at the moment too think of them, lol.