e85

[Dans92cb7]

i wuz just wondring if we can some how use the gas its cheper then the regaler stuff right now by 30 cents...someone told me its like 110 octane right out the pump but thats hard to belave

[MadSpleen85]

IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONVERT A VEHICLE THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR GASOLINE TO OPERATE ON E85?

Yes. However, there are no conversions or after-market parts that have been certified by the EPA as meeting the standards to maintain clean exhaust emissions. Technically speaking, converting a vehicle that was designed to operate on unleaded gasoline only to operate on another form of fuel is a violation of the federal law and the offender may be subject to significant penalties. No after-market conversion company has successfully certified an E85 kit that would allow a gasoline vehicle to operate on 85 percent ethanol.

The differences in fuel injector size, air-fuel ratio, PCM calibrations, material composition of the fuel lines, pumps and tanks are just a few of the components that contribute to making an E85 conversion extremely complex. It is our understanding that at least one company is working to obtain EPA certification. We will monitor the situation closely, understanding the certification process can be time consuming, difficult and expensive.

It is possible but, not certified by the EPA.. And any conversion of this size would be extremely expensive.. Later

[Dans92cb7]

so ur says..we or i cant use it inless i make changes and thats if a company out there makes a kit...

[Losiracer2]

yeah i read somewhere that it takes a lot more e85 for it to actually combust better and produce the required amount of power to do anything, thus the reason for the bigger injectors.

[NAiL05]

yeah i read somewhere that it takes a lot more e85 for it to actually combust better and produce the required amount of power to do anything, thus the reason for the bigger injectors.

The gas does not combust better...It is a higher octane. Its pointless unless you have a race application. E85 is equivalent to 107 octane. You need bigger injectors because e85 is a bit thicker. Systems have to be converted to SS to prevent wear later on. There is a lot more stuff. It can slowly eat seals and blah blah blah....Sure it burns cleaner...But if you like smelling like french fries after you drive go for it. Oh yea you get more gas mileage with normal fuel.

[Dans92cb7]

so i should not worry about the e85..?and can someone boosted use it? with 880rc injetors? 7 lbs boost?

[NAiL05]

If your pushing 7lbs with e85....save your money.

[d112crzy]

If your pushing 7lbs with e85....save your money.

nail, shut up.

Also, don't anyone ever say "x psi". It's too vague, it's retarded.

E85 requires you to get much larger injectors. A new fuel pump would be a great idea, but depending on the condition of your current one, you can get away with upgrading the wiring.

You don't have to convert your lines. yes, it does corrode, but it takes a long ass time. Longer than most people ever have one car for. It's no big deal like people make it seem.

E85 is no set octane. It's a mix of ethanol and gasoline(it's supposed to be 85 ethanol/15 alcohol, but it varies from pump to pump). So it's never the same octane. It can range from 104 to 110.

Either way, it's a high octane, for cheaper than normal higher octanes. But you have to get bigger injectors and a good fuel pump.

Tho it may be cheaper, you use more of it. Theory says you lose 10% in gas mileage. This is because there is less energy in alcohol than there is in gasoline. It also burns slower, which raises your knock limit. Not so much a good thing on our f22's, considering f22's don't do well with a lot of timing.

You will have trouble starting your car in the mornings, or whenever its really cold. Ethanol doesn't vaporize under 60-65*F. It'll take a few cranks to start, and would probably have a nasty idle. Not only because of the fuel, but because you're running way bigger injectors.

You're better off running water/meth injection.

[Dans92cb7]

thanks d112...yea i wuz j/w if we can use it cuz it was way cheaper then the 87...but no mater what the out come would still cost the same cuz u lose 10% gas mpg..but all well ill stick to the 87 shit i guess the good old 309 pg

[turbo90accord]

nail, shut up.

You don't have to convert your lines. yes, it does corrode, but it takes a long ass time. Longer than most people ever have one car for. It's no big deal like people make it seem.

E85 is no set octane. It's a mix of ethanol and gasoline(it's supposed to be 85 ethanol/15 alcohol, but it varies from pump to pump). So it's never the same octane. It can range from 104 to 110.

Actually this is false.... Methanol will corrode your lines. e85 will not. ethanol and methanol are two very different things especially when it comes to corrosion.

and you mixed up saying 85% ethanol and 15% alcohol. its actually 15% gasoline.


Lastly converting to e85 is very very easy! all you need is a hondata a competant tuner that knows how to tune for lambda and 30% larger injectors.

I am going to be running my car on e85 once my build is finished.

also just tuned a prelude super built on e85 with 1600cc injectors and netted 623 hp and 511 lbs of tq. course thats with a big turbo.

[d112crzy]

Actually this is false.... Methanol will corrode your lines. e85 will not. ethanol and methanol are two very different things especially when it comes to corrosion.

and you mixed up saying 85% ethanol and 15% alcohol. its actually 15% gasoline.


Lastly converting to e85 is very very easy! all you need is a hondata a competant tuner that knows how to tune for lambda and 30% larger injectors.

I am going to be running my car on e85 once my build is finished.

also just tuned a prelude super built on e85 with 1600cc injectors and netted 623 hp and 511 lbs of tq. course thats with a big turbo.

Thanks for the corrections.

But, you don't need hondata to tune with. Any system can do it.

[turbo90accord]

very true, hondata is just my personal preference...

[dark_stalker]

The gas does not combust better...It is a higher octane. Its pointless unless you have a race application. E85 is equivalent to 107 octane. You need bigger injectors because e85 is a bit thicker. Systems have to be converted to SS to prevent wear later on. There is a lot more stuff. It can slowly eat seals and blah blah blah....Sure it burns cleaner...But if you like smelling like french fries after you drive go for it. Oh yea you get more gas mileage with normal fuel.

i use to use it alot with my old car, the gas mileage suck more then regular gas does. it may seem to make your car go fast in the beginning but later on it feels slow.

[turbo90accord]

i use to use it alot with my old car, the gas mileage suck more then regular gas does. it may seem to make your car go fast in the beginning but later on it feels slow.

were you using anything to tune it or did you just put e85 in your tank and run it?

[d112crzy]

i use to use it alot with my old car, the gas mileage suck more then regular gas does. it may seem to make your car go fast in the beginning but later on it feels slow.

E85 doesn't add power.

same goes with any higher octane rating than what you're supposed to use.

It only raises your knock limit.