What should i do go turbo or H22 it up?????

[DTaccords85]

OK I want to know should I just turbo my F22 or just get a H22. People tell me the f22 has a good flowing head and puting a turbo on it is probabley my best bet. But I know if you go turbo you have to put some money into the motor for it to last. I'm not trying to build a 10 sec. car but i want to be able to whoop up on people and i think about 210-220 horsepower to the wheels is enough for me. So would it be hard to get the H22 in that range or would it be easier to turbo the f22. In my heart i really want the H22

[Muffler Bearing]

From my knowledge the F22's are pretty solid engines once you build them up a little bit but if you go turbo you should know or be prepared to learn about boost so as not to blow up your poor little car. H22's will put down about 190hp stock to the wheels I believe or somewhere close to that.
It breaks down to how much work you want to put into it, how much money you wanna spend, and what kinda power you wanna make. Good luck.

[MadSpleen85]

NA build the F22.. Later

[DTaccords85]

NA build the F22.. Later

Why? whouldn't be better to build the H22

[NAiL05]

1. Your budget
2. Do you know anything about boosted cars
3. What are the plans with the car
4. Search in the Fi section.

This question has been asked multiple times. Go look in the FI section and see if your comfortable with boost if not then you have other alternatives. 200-210 at the wheels is not hard to achieve with an h22a its just gonna cost you more than the f22a.

[deevergote]

Yeah, NA F22 at 210-220whp... definitely possible, but not cheap, and not for a beginner.

The H22 can get in that range with good bolt-ons... Of course, those things aren't cheap. Turbo would be easier to reach your power goals, but as you said, building the motor so it will last would be a good idea.

Done right, neither will be extremely cheap. The H22 makes good power right off the bat, and you won't have to worry about blowing a stock turbo engine. You can have 165-170whp to start, and add things like a good header (Bisimoto is what I'm planning on), a bigger throttle body, a good cam, a nice exhaust system, an ECU tune... That stuff there will probably cost as much as, or more than, the H22 itself... BUT, you'll be close to your range if you do it right.

If you go turbo, you COULD boost the stock engine. Many have done it, and F22s are pretty cheap and easy to find if you do blow it. Still, doing it RIGHT costs money. The DSM setup won't fly for a good turbo setup, so you'd want to get a real manifold, a properly sized turbo, proper exhaust, and an ECU tune is absolutely necessary (dyno tuning it is best, street tuning can be alright if you know someone that knows their stuff... it's a risk, though). Upgrading the internals is a very good idea if you want it to last. If you shop smart, that could cost you around the same as the H22 I mentioned above. That would still be a mild turbo setup, but it would probably exceed your goals. 250whp minimum, I would say.



Which is better? It's hard to say. For 210-220 whp, either is good. Expect to shell out about $6,000, maybe more, by the end of the project.
The turbo will give you better peak power, but you'd be wise to do everything at once... You can't really do one piece at a time with a turbo!
The H22 will be a more gradual build. You can slap on a header, and 2 months later drop in some cams. Tuning the ECU won't be absolutely necessary with the NA H22, but the car will run MUCH better after you do. You'll have more power, better fuel economy, and a healthier engine.

So, in the end, it's up to you. Both are good options, done correctly. Halfass anything, and they both suck.

[deevergote]

1. Your budget
2. Do you know anything about boosted cars
3. What are the plans with the car
4. Search in the Fi section.

This question has been asked multiple times. Go look in the FI section and see if your comfortable with boost if not then you have other alternatives. 200-210 at the wheels is not hard to achieve with an h22a its just gonna cost you more than the f22a.

His question is a bit more focused, since he has power goals in mind. Not simply "which is better?" I can appreciate a question like this. It's the people that have no idea what they want that bother me!

[deevergote]

Why? whouldn't be better to build the H22

The F22A has a lot of potential Search around for Bisi Ezerioha, Bisimoto on the board here. He's running a carbureted F22, HEAVILY modified, making about 400hp... NA. He runs high to mid 9s with that engine in a race-prepped Insight. He's the fastest FWD Honda, I believe (there was another guy that was neck and neck with him, last I heard).

However, while the F22 is a great base, it's not a project for anyone that doesn't want to get balls deep in it. The head flows well, the block is solid. Bisimoto's aftermarket parts are making it easy to build it up... but for your modreate goals, there's no need to start with an engine that makes 100hp less than you want! It's like saying "I could take the elevator to the 50th floor, and then take the stairs to the 70th floor... but hell, why not just walk the whole way!"

[turbomaxx]

triple post ban for deevergote!!!!



OP- if you know enough about boost and turbos and what it will all do to your car, then hell, go for turbo. BUT no from the beginning that it will be a long, expensive haul from day 1.

[deevergote]

It's not a triple post... those are 3 separate posts Conversations have a tendency to progress quite quickly while I write my novels

[nappyd420]

Yeah, NA F22 at 210-220whp... definitely possible, but not cheap, and not for a beginner.


If you go turbo, you COULD boost the stock engine. Many have done it, and F22s are pretty cheap and easy to find if you do blow it. Still, doing it RIGHT costs money. The DSM setup won't fly for a good turbo setup, so you'd want to get a real manifold, a properly sized turbo, proper exhaust, and an ECU tune is absolutely necessary (dyno tuning it is best, street tuning can be alright if you know someone that knows their stuff... it's a risk, though). Upgrading the internals is a very good idea if you want it to last. If you shop smart, that could cost you around the same as the H22 I mentioned above. That would still be a mild turbo setup, but it would probably exceed your goals. 250whp minimum, I would say..

My question to you is what would be a great exhaust for a turbo setup? Like could I just goto my local shop and ask them to hook me up with an exhaust that would be good for a turbo setup.

[deevergote]

3" mandrel bent piping would be ideal. With a free flowing muffler with a 3" inlet.

[DTaccords85]

Thanks alot everybody I think i made up my mind. I'm just get the H22 and try not to be cheap and get good quilty parts. Such as Cams, good exhaust, header, getting it tuned, everything you all said. But you know what i really what to do is ( it might sound crazy to some but i don't care) get a F20 of the S2K and convert my car to RWD. I think that would real nice a RWD CB7 i can see it now.

[jm991700]

IT all depends how much power u want and how much u willing to spend.TO get really good power gains. U have to spend the money, theres no way to get around that.

[deevergote]

Thanks alot everybody I think i made up my mind. I'm just get the H22 and try not to be cheap and get good quilty parts. Such as Cams, good exhaust, header, getting it tuned, everything you all said. But you know what i really what to do is ( it might sound crazy to some but i don't care) get a F20 of the S2K and convert my car to RWD. I think that would real nice a RWD CB7 i can see it now.

It's been done, but the guy that did it was never on this site, sadly. I want to do that too!

I would estimate that it would probably cost MORE than an S2K to pull it off... but it'd be worth it to me!