does this sound right????

[WilliamW]

heh, I've thought about taking my power steering off, but cant really justify it since my car doesn't run.

[takumei86]

just removing the belt reduces parasitic load on the engine but if you just leave all the components hooked up (power steering cooler, pump, reservoir, lines) it is just dead weight, also if you loop the racks fluid lines it makes it a little easier to turn, just remember to loop the line that goes to vss or you'll be replacing that thing quickly because it i s lubricated off the power steering lines.

sorry to sound dumb but what is a "VSS"

[NAiL05]

Vehicle Speed Sensor. Mine isnt looped its still running directly to the rack. There are easy ways to loop PS without having to go to the rack but it looks cleaner that way.

[cali-racer]

i took the a/c and p/s belts out and got a belt to run the alternator alone. its quicker, ill give it that. but as for the no p/s on a daily driver... be a man about it, u get used to it and its really not that bad.

i do agree!

[Mjfan12]

If you drive without the belt with a power rack its not a good thing, you'll ruin your rack because it wasnt designed to be used as a manual.

Power steering racks and manual racks are different, the manuals are obviously beefier.

[AccordWarrior]

If you drive without the belt with a power rack its not a good thing, you'll ruin your rack because it wasnt designed to be used as a manual.

Power steering racks and manual racks are different, the manuals are obviously beefier.

x2. The power steering fluid not only is used for the pump, but to lubricate the rack. That's why the people who have removed power steering typically loop the lines, so that there's still fluid going through the rack at all times.

I've driven CB's without power steering, and once you're rolling, it's fine, but until then, I agree that it's a PITA. I absolutely would not go without power steering in the city on a DD, but that's just me.

[Mjfan12]

x2. The power steering fluid not only is used for the pump, but to lubricate the rack. That's why the people who have removed power steering typically loop the lines, so that there's still fluid going through the rack at all times.

I've driven CB's without power steering, and once you're rolling, it's fine, but until then, I agree that it's a PITA. I absolutely would not go without power steering in the city on a DD, but that's just me.

Actually I don't know what the big deal is about the difficulty. I had a manual steer civic and I had no issues with turning difficulty, sure it was "harder" but not a hurclean task, just a little more work then power. When it moves, its no issues at all.

I actually prefer manual steer, but no modern car has them anymore, and I'm not inclined to ghetto rig it.

[F22HB]

Actually I don't know what the big deal is about the difficulty. I had a manual steer civic and I had no issues with turning difficulty, sure it was "harder" but not a hurclean task, just a little more work then power. When it moves, its no issues at all.

I actually prefer manual steer, but no modern car has them anymore, and I'm not inclined to ghetto rig it.

Only reason my civic doesn't have it is because it is the base modle. That and its like 600 pounds lighter.

[NAiL05]

Yes the steering racks were meant to be used with a pump but as mentioned as long as you loop them you can prolong the life compared to a dry rack. Manual racks didnt come in our cars so if we found an equal subsitute I am pretty sure people would be jumping on it by now. You can still find some quick ratio racks and all that crap nowadays but I dont mind power steering. Its a nice commodity to have and why people have it is because I doubt when your 80 and weak as hell I doubt you want a car w/o power steering. Plus usually heavier cars are a slight bitch w/o ps. Lighter cars like civics are a breeze. Drove a buddies DX thing wasnt even hard to turn at all IMO. Then I drove my accord slightly heavier but just like every other no ps system as long as your moving your fine.

[b-bomb]

I actually have taken my power steering out for performance reasons and yes it does REALLY add hp. Not an amazing amount, but noticeable. Only drawback really is parking lots, lol. As long as the car is moving like 4 mph its not that hard to turn the wheel.

[93_Accord_SE]

I didn't know having no "p/s" adds HP?? How does that work? I wanna see a dyno for sure.

[jayrq2o1]

its fun to see people argue, hehe.


bottom line time.

lazy, leave it.

racer or ricer, take it out.

lazy and racer is self explanatory but...

i say ricer because, if you think it "frees up" hp, you must have a masters degree in physics. removing the belt reduces the parasitic loss on the crank. removing the actual system will reduce WEIGHT NOT increase hp. reducing the weight of the car will obviously make it feel quicker, but you didn't increase horsepower, you just gave it less weight to push.

the horses you get out of your vehicle is directly related to how much air and fuel you can cram into your cylinders and the compression ratio of said cylinders. that is the purpose of forced induction systems such as nitrous, turbos and superchargers.


also...sorry for the sarchasm. its just horrible people don't use their brain for once.

[cbrider]

once again i agree with jayrq2o1. i just hope no one says that their missing back seat=10hp!!! then he'll really have to get sarcastic.

[b-bomb]

As said, "removing the belt reduces the parasitic loss on the crank" therefore putting less stress on the crank, which will in turn give you slightly more whp. Not to mention if you take the thing off it reduces weight and puts less stress on the alternator.

[NAiL05]

As said, "removing the belt reduces the parasitic loss on the crank" therefore putting less stress on the crank, which will in turn give you slightly more whp. Not to mention if you take the thing off it reduces weight and puts less stress on the alternator.

How would it put stress on the alternator if it had its own belt? If you wanted to take of sctain on the alternator take off the A/C Compressor. There is a slight power gain but not enough to be felt. Thats why I say I dont feel anything on the butt dyno. YOu want real results do a before and after on a dyno then bring back the results. IMO its not noticeable other than quicker revving.