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[Fodoaccord]

well recently my buddy did a Frankinstein motor build, and let me say it is a beast. im not going to say what he used because he told me not to but has anyone else built this wild motor? and how much horsepower are you pushing?

[SOHC-FTW]

What is this frankenstein you speak of? MUST NEW to us honda folk.

[Jking72]

Well this is kind of useless as a topic if no details are going to be given. Can't even give what base was used f/h etc?

[Issues]

well recently my buddy did a Frankinstein motor build, and let me say it is a beast. im not going to say what he used because he told me not to but has anyone else built this wild motor? and how much horsepower are you pushing?

Lol at this thread.

What is your actual question, a simple search would have shown Multiple threads on this topic.
Here - http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/search.php?searchid=8118026

And what makes your buddy so secretive?
Do you think a "Frankinstein" is a "Wow" factor, rather than a usually poorly constructed mix and match of parts.

[deevergote]

You're gonna need this.






And if you want to know so badly if someone has done it, try searching. Every dumb-ass Frankenstein build conceivable with H/F engines has been done by someone on this forum one time or another. And most of those "beasts" have failed eventually, because the builders had no idea what they were doing.
F/H franks are idiotic and pointless. They take parts from two perfectly good engines to create one piece of shit.



At least you didn't call it a G22 or G23...

[cb7 calling]

Maybe he put two k20 heads on a Chevy ls7 v8. I mean I've never thought of that before.

[deevergote]

Now THAT would be impressive. It would fail... but it would be impressive!

[Fodoaccord]

i started to call it the G but then i realized thats a 5 cylinder motor. but this one motor was built very well. and screw it he's not on this forum so ill just say it has k20 pistons with h23 head and f22 block. i think its a great motor except it only puts out as much power as a 2007 civic si. which now that i think about it he should have just got a k series motor for how much he spent.but thats really what i wanted to know is what yall think about it.i wanted to start a Frank on my cb just to get some more power and keep the oem block, or grab an f22a6 block with k20 pistons and a f23 head with vtec and drop it in when my motor blows, because honestly i think its about die on me.

[deevergote]

The K20 has an 86mm bore. The F22A has an 85mm bore. So your friend bored each cylinder 1mm over? Doable, but not ideal.
And the H23 head? 87mm bore... which means the combustion chambers are made to work with an 87mm bore. Meaning the overbored F22A sleeves will be intruding into the combustion chamber by 1mm. Not a huge deal, but that sharp edge will be a potential source of detonation.

K20 pistons, but F22A rods? Rods that aren't meant to rev high enough to use the flow capabilities of the head?

To be quite honest, I don't see how that combination would make "07 Civic Si" power... which would essentially be H22A power... with inferior and mismatched parts.

Of course, you'd have read this about 2 dozen times from me alone had you bothered searching. I've said this over and over again in many threads.
Your friend seems to have built one of the better combinations. Better than simply slapping an H head on an F block, as many do. Still, it's a lousy idea. Only good if you happen to have the parts laying around, and you want to experiment. If the final result is what you're looking for, go with a full build of a complete engine. F22A, H22A, H23A, whatever. You'll see much better results.

And thank you for having the sense to realize that the G series is a 5 cylinder engine.
I try to be bitter and angry in Frank threads... but you're one of the smarter people to bring up the idea. Learn to use the search function, and I just might like you!

[SOHC-FTW]

I'm trying a setup similar to a "frankenstein" but in reverse. Due to having extra parts (Blocks heads crank's etc), it being a project car is a plus. I've played with plenty of D's and F's throughout the years, i got bored and figured why not.

[8ball]

I highly doubt you know the details of the engine OP. Since this is random and useless thread. I started with a charmander from professor oaks lab. Brock was tough to beat.

[Fodoaccord]

yea i feel that, so i think i'll just stick to the F20b or the H22 those swaps seem pretty bullet proof.

[deevergote]

H22 would be your best bet. More common, available in the US (which means parts are available in the US), and they come in OBD1... so there's no issue with wiring or running an improper ECU. Plus, the H22A has a wider powerband, since it has a greater displacement. The F20B is only 2.0L because Honda built it to compete in a 2.0L class (and the H22A was too large.) Also, a good number of F20Bs will come as the 180hp automatic variety, because it's virtually impossible to tell until you start taking things apart which one you have. Only the most reputable of engine resellers will be guaranteed to sell you the right thing!


8ball, it is not your place to say what is worthless and what is not. If you don't have anything useful to contribute, don't bother posting. Another post like that will result in a ban for flaming. Given your recent ban for using a racial slur, your next one may very well be permanent.

[all_accord]

I've been looking into others turbo builds and have really been considering doing a complete f22a1 everything build and slapping a turbo on that b*tch

8ball I started with a bulbasaur. Brock was easy.

[deevergote]

Keep in mind, even if you use forged internals in a stock-sleeved F22A, you still have to worry about the F22A's open deck design. It'll hold a moderate amount of boost (honestly, more than you'd need for a street car,) but high levels of boost could be an issue.

Still, forged internals and stock sleeves should be able to hold about 300-350whp when tuned carefully. Should last a good while, if properly built and maintained.


And I started with a bulbasaur, too.