Stone Hone or Ball Hone

[Mishakol129]

Hello, I have a f22a6 block which has cylinders that need to be honed.
I have seen both the ball type and the stone type hones.
I do not know which one will be better.
I do not want to oversize my bores.
My cylinder walls are shiny.


Which one should I use and why? (this is my first time using a hone and trying to rebuild an engine)


Thanks.

PS, what kind of oil should I use, ATF?

EDIT:

And one last thing, if I get the ball hone will it wear out by just one use? I ask this because I have more than 1 engine that I am going to hone.

[SOHC-FTW]

Used both many times honestly the bead honers are more durable than the stone. Also make sure you get the right grit or you'll mess things up real good.

[Mishakol129]

Used both many times honestly the bead honers are more durable than the stone. Also make sure you get the right grit or you'll mess things up real good.

What grit would be applicable and what size and where do you find it?

EDIT: I just found out that there is a very slight ridge at the top of the cylinder. What do I do? Its very slight but does this mean I need to bore out the cylinder? Maybe a good hone will fix it idk.

[wed3k]

most likely will need to go oversize. thousandths aren't visible.

[Mishakol129]

most likely will need to go oversize. thousandths aren't visible.

I found out that there were just carbon deposits near the top of all cylinders, a good hone should fix that.

[GhostAccord]

Hone the cylinder bores with honing oil (vegetable oil works great) and a 400 grit rigid stone in a 60° cross-hatch pattern.

You need a ridge reamer to clean up that carbon build up. using a stone or ball hone will not remove that properly. If you try to use a hone to remove that ridge it could cause an uneven hone depth in the cylinder wall.

[Mishakol129]

Hone the cylinder bores with honing oil (vegetable oil works great) and a 400 grit rigid stone in a 60° cross-hatch pattern.

You need a ridge reamer to clean up that carbon build up. using a stone or ball hone will not remove that properly. If you try to use a hone to remove that ridge it could cause an uneven hone depth in the cylinder wall.

How do you hone a 60o cross-hatch? I have this honda rebuild dvd I got from ebay which shows the hone being done pretty fast, like 1 complete hone per second.

I don't think the carbon is severe enough to merit a ridge reamer. I think i could use a razor blade or a knife to scrap off the crap.

Edit:

You maybe right, I will need to use a ridge reamer.

[bobbycos]

How do you hone a 60o cross-hatch? I have this honda rebuild dvd I got from ebay which shows the hone being done pretty fast, like 1 complete hone per second.

I don't think the carbon is severe enough to merit a ridge reamer. I think i could use a razor blade or a knife to scrap off the crap.

the hones come in different sizes and degrees to fit the job at hand

if you feel a ridge with your finger a ridge reamer is needed

there are other dvd's and you tube videos that show how to to use these methods properly

[GhostAccord]

Yeah you pretty much run the drill at 600-800 rpm and go up and down pretty fast for 60-80 complete rotations of the hone.

So if your drill is 0-2500 RPM you want to go with 1/4 - 1/3 trigger and move the hone up and down the cylinder as fast as you can...lol

[Mishakol129]

the hones come in different sizes and degrees to fit the job at hand

if you feel a ridge with your finger a ridge reamer is needed

there are other dvd's and you tube videos that show how to to use these methods properly

Thanks guys. I saw on this other forum that a guy had a similar condition.
Here is his pic. He said that when he took it to the machine shop they said that it was no big deal and all it needed was a hone. I have read also that some say a ridge reamer is only necessary for taking pistons out and that when it is used it will need re boring; my pistons are already out. Some have also dug in too deep with a ridge reamer not knowing how to use it. I think a good hone will fix my condition just like for this one (except he took it to a machine shop to be honed).

He said,

Good news from the machine shop, they told me that the ridges aren't really bad as they look. The wears are minors, but i considered in them doing a better job in honing the cylinders and clearing the ridges

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2950395

[GhostAccord]

To be honest it's not really that big of a deal. If you keep soaking the ridge with carb/throttle body cleaner it will probably wipe off with a towel. Mine did.

Even if there is an actual ridge there I wouldn't bother with it if you had no problems removing your pistons. It's the area above the top ring anyway. Just go ahead and hone it!

[Mishakol129]

To be honest it's not really that big of a deal. If you keep soaking the ridge with carb/throttle body cleaner it will probably wipe off with a towel. Mine did.

Even if there is an actual ridge there I wouldn't bother with it if you had no problems removing your pistons. It's the area above the top ring anyway. Just go ahead and hone it!

If there is an actual ridge which is not just carbon (and there maybe), won't my piston rings be in risk of breakage when I put them back in?
There maybe actual de-boring due to ware in the cylinder because of the piston rings and not just carbon.
This could break the piston rings upon installation of pistons.

Maybe I could take some pics and show them.

But the ridges are very light, my fingernail just barely catches them.

I just ordered some a bore gauges and will measure the differences.

[Mishakol129]

the hones come in different sizes and degrees to fit the job at hand

if you feel a ridge with your finger a ridge reamer is needed

there are other dvd's and you tube videos that show how to to use these methods properly

I already ordered a three stone hone, couldn't find the right size ball hone.

Here is the one I ordered:

[Mishakol129]

Hi again, I have another question. I think I may have bought the wrong grit hone. I got a 220 grit (medium grit) hone when the Honda manual prescribes 400 grit (fine grit).

Should I get a different hone or will it be fine to use the one I got?

[Mishakol129]

Nobody?