Kyb Gr2's on lowered car?

[BOOSTnBLOW]

Please stop giving bad information on my forum. 9 posts in, and you're already looking to get banned. If you do not know what you are talking about, please don't bother posting. Read, and learn something instead.


GR2s are a step above stock replacement. They can handle a bit more of a drop, and a bit higher spring rate, than stock shocks.

Stock shocks should NEVER be used when lowering your car. They are not made for it, and they may be 20 years old. Blown shocks are EXTREMELY dangerous.

KYB AGX are made for a drop no lower than 1.5"... which is VERY subtle. Any lower will void the warranty, and they tend to blow fairly easily.

AGX is absolutely no comparison to Koni. Koni shocks ("sport" or "yellows"... don't bother with the "red" or STR-T models) perform considerably better, and offer a lifetime warranty regardless of how low the car is.

Telling someone that AGX are just as good as Konis is like saying a 1992 Hyundai Sonata is every bit as good as a 1992 Accord... but cheaper.

I did not say agx was as good as koni I said koni is better. I did not say that gr2 were the same as stock I said that they would be a waste if he dropped on them and ruined when he could save a little money and go get the agx. There are many people dropped over 1.5 on agx shocks. They are not the best option but for a guy on a budget they are better then the gr2s. I am just helping him from my 7 years experience as a dsm guy and I'm not trying to get banned. All of post have been very technical help directed toward the op. I am not spamming or whoring at all and I do not believe I should be banned. I am a moderator on a dsm forum so this post is just to make things right not to argue.

[project93]

To the OP;
I wouldn't run any KYB brand strut. I had tenzo springs on the GR2 struts (2in drop) and i blew them in 3 days! so i went and bought the AGX struts and they lasted a month. needless to say i was a little dissapointed in quality. I personally would save up for the Koni yellows. Read any post on here about people happy with thier suspensions and that what the have. Yes they are higher up front cost, however, i have not heard one person complain.

[Flatline]

To the OP;
I wouldn't run any KYB brand strut. I had tenzo springs on the GR2 struts (2in drop) and i blew them in 3 days! so i went and bought the AGX struts and they lasted a month. needless to say i was a little dissapointed in quality. I personally would save up for the Koni yellows. Read any post on here about people happy with thier suspensions and that what the have. Yes they are higher up front cost, however, i have not heard one person complain.

if you blew them in 3 days you had a bad batch or something. Im a poor idiot and im running GR2's on a huge drop and i haven't blown them yet. The ride is a step below that of a go-kart or rollerblades, but it's just temporary till i get some full coils.

And i heard the koni STR.T (reds) were close to the yellows on performance with a different style of adjustment. Like they have to be uninstalled to adjust the stiffness. and i got that from a pretty reliable source.

[deevergote]

if you blew them in 3 days you had a bad batch or something. Im a poor idiot and im running GR2's on a huge drop and i haven't blown them yet. The ride is a step below that of a go-kart or rollerblades, but it's just temporary till i get some full coils.

And i heard the koni STR.T (reds) were close to the yellows on performance with a different style of adjustment. Like they have to be uninstalled to adjust the stiffness. and i got that from a pretty reliable source.

GR2s generally handle a drop well. They aren't great, but they're still a hell of a lot better than 20 year old OEMs. They shouldn't blow in 3 days... so yeah, either it was a defective batch, they were abused, or they were installed incorrectly (though I'm not sure how that would be possible)



Check your reliable source... because they are wrong. STR-Ts are Koni's low end. Non-adjustable sport shocks. The ones you described are the "reds". They offer the same features as the "yellows", but they are not externally adjustable. They're good if you have a static setup and you KNOW what you want the shocks set to... otherwise, ignorant street tuners like me need the adjustment on the fly.

[mndude07]

Most people get ground controls to dump the car. The GR2 is not a very good shock for this, and the spring rates on the GC's are probably more than what the GR2's can handle properly.

There are four distinct Koni shocks for the CB7:

STR.T (orange) entry level, non-adjustable, but they have the reliability that Koni is known for. They shouldn't blow provided your spring rate doesn't exceed their damping force.

Koni Reds, they are adjustable, but off the car only. These are perfectly fine for reasons Deev already mentioned.

Koni Yellows, adjustable on the car with a knob, and 3 ride height perches.

Koni Yellow SP3(aka Neuspeed Koni) These have a 20mm shorter droop length and 5 ride height perches. By decreasing the length by 20mm, it gives a similar effect by adding a 20mm extended top hat to the car. Since there are no pre-made top hats available for the CB7, this should be your shock of choice ESPECIALLY with coilover sleeves like ground controls.

A friend of mine has Ground Controls with AGX's and his car is by far lower than mine. I would say its dumped. He has them turned up about half way and the ride is good and they haven't blown yet. Its been about a year. The adjustability on the AGX isn't as linear as the Koni and they don't have the ride height perches or the durability of a Koni though.

If you aren't doing something crazy stiff and you're wanting to save money, the AGX is fine.

For your ground controls though, the Koni yellow is the ideal shock for that setup. It's becoming a very popular setup with the civic/integra guys for a reason.



Just randomly off-topic: Deev, does Ohlins or Penske mean anything to you?

[deevergote]

Of course... but do they have applications available for our cars? I've looked in the past, and I wasn't able to find any. I'm sure if there aren't any off the shelf parts, they would make them custom... but that's probably not going to be happening around here!

[Flatline]

GR2s generally handle a drop well. They aren't great, but they're still a hell of a lot better than 20 year old OEMs. They shouldn't blow in 3 days... so yeah, either it was a defective batch, they were abused, or they were installed incorrectly (though I'm not sure how that would be possible)



Check your reliable source... because they are wrong. STR-Ts are Koni's low end. Non-adjustable sport shocks. The ones you described are the "reds". They offer the same features as the "yellows", but they are not externally adjustable. They're good if you have a static setup and you KNOW what you want the shocks set to... otherwise, ignorant street tuners like me need the adjustment on the fly.

it was my own confusion. last time i looked was a few months ago. I was thinking the STR.T's were the reds.

So my bad. and it was Astrovannin that was suggesting the reds for my drop if i didn't want full coilovers. that dude is the man when it comes to slamming.

[91kid]

So the koni reds would be suitable or the Nuespeed konis?

All of which are cheaper then the yellows correct?

[mndude07]

Of course... but do they have applications available for our cars? I've looked in the past, and I wasn't able to find any. I'm sure if there aren't any off the shelf parts, they would make them custom... but that's probably not going to be happening around here!

Yeah, they have a large database of different shocks with all the dimensions listed, so I'm sure you could make one work with the CB. That would be ideal though. Those AMR engineering coilovers have damper construction similar to penske and ohlins. I may look at those in the future, as they could be better than even a koni yellow/ground control setup.

So the koni reds would be suitable or the Nuespeed konis?

All of which are cheaper then the yellows correct?

No, just the reds are cheaper than the yellows. The Neuspeed Koni's are actually a little more expensive normally, but they seem to be cheaper than usual on Neuspeed's site vs. say Weksos.

[project93]

GR2s generally handle a drop well. They aren't great, but they're still a hell of a lot better than 20 year old OEMs. They shouldn't blow in 3 days... so yeah, either it was a defective batch, they were abused, or they were installed incorrectly (though I'm not sure how that would be possible)

I think they were defective, i blew a set in a yr at stock height and when i lowered it i was able to replace the previous ones under warranty. but I was not about to exchange them a second time in hopes for the best. did i go with koni's this time, unfortunately no, but i have learned considerably and i will have koni's in the near future.

[hondatech_CB7]

1990 lx 4 door

which koni struts are best for ridding smooth and good for drag use i have seen the yellow orange, and red ones? and i was going to drop my car atleast 2.5 to 3 inches and where is the cheapest place to buy them? i have found some sites and i have looked on eBay bt i have never sean the whole set of 4 struts go for $230? where are u getting them>?



http://www.shox.com/appguide/shoxsho...ctsdisplay.php

http://www.koni-na.com/index.cfm

[deevergote]

which koni struts are best for ridding smooth and good for drag use i have seen the yellow orange, and red ones? and i was going to drop my car atleast 2.5 to 3 inches and where is the cheapest place to buy them? i have found some sites and i have looked on eBay bt i have never sean the whole set of 4 struts go for $230? where are u getting them>?



http://www.shox.com/appguide/shoxsho...ctsdisplay.php

http://www.koni-na.com/index.cfm

You only need to ask once. Multiple posts like this are considered whoring, and will get you banned. I have answered this question in another thread.

[hondatech_CB7]

ok thanks man

my bad bro not happening again