Vtec Vs. Non Vtec

[wed3k]

Too bad. You probably could have learned something. Oh well. Nothing new.

it's hard to debate when you took subjects completely out of the spectrum and inserted it into the subjects that we were discussing.

like bisimoto and streetability and more shit in your post. it didnt even make sense.

[owequitit]

it's hard to debate when you took subjects completely out of the spectrum and inserted it into the subjects that we were discussing.

like bisimoto and streetability and more shit in your post. it didnt even make sense.

It made perfect sense.

It is about WHY VTEC is good and WHY VTEC is bad.

You can't understand that, but you think SBC's belong in the conversation?

They weren't completely out of the spectrum. The whole point, had you actually followed the conversation, was that for every F22 that makes a ton of power, there are a lot of variable in play that allow it to do that over a similarly built H22.

I.E. Bisi makes a lot more power with an F22 than 2point6 does with an H22, but he is revving higher and using more technology to do it. I then explained why the F22 has a major advantage (valve lift) and why the CC is more efficient(better combustion charachteristics), which all tie into why an H22 is more streetable, and thus why VTEC is a useful technology.

It wasn't that hard to follow honestly. I am surprised to see this comment coming from you Wes, as I would have expected to be well within your grasp based on experience. If there is anything I didn't clarify enough, let me know and I will be happy to clear it up.

[wed3k]

im done.

[noobcake]

tired of fighting with the big bad ass, essay writing, forum arguing machine?

[owequitit]

tired of fighting with the big bad ass, essay writing, forum arguing machine?

Nice try, but the funny thing is that the only insurmountable obstacle in my posts is logic.

Funny how that works.

I haven't argued shit yet. Merely stated facts about how shit works. Yet, somehow, posting the facts equals arguing. PUHLEASE.

[fatboy1185]

Nice try, but the funny thing is that the only insurmountable obstacle in my posts is logic.

Funny how that works.

I haven't argued shit yet. Merely stated facts about how shit works. Yet, somehow, posting the facts equals arguing. PUHLEASE.

My buddy was gonna have that word tattooed on him.

[noobcake]

now why was that needed.
i say one thing and i get 5 sentances in return. lol

do your fingers ever get tired of typing usless babble.

[wed3k]

now why was that needed.
i say one thing and i get 5 sentances in return. lol

do your fingers ever get tired of typing usless babble.

let him bask in his own intelligence.

[owequitit]

now why was that needed.
i say one thing and i get 5 sentances in return. lol

do your fingers ever get tired of typing usless babble.

Why was your comment needed?

I did nothing other than post truths about the technology. It is too bad you can't handle that.

I don't get tired of typing it, because it isn't useless babble. Your post on the other hand, would fall into that category.

[owequitit]

let him bask in his own intelligence.

You mean like understanding what I am talking about?

Maybe I should call myself the Honda guru.

I thought you were done?

[owequitit]

Deeve,

Will you please remove the useless posts, and get this thread back onto topic about VTEC and its advantages over non-VTEC, rather than a pissing contest about who can try to insult me more?

[CB7 Sleeper]

let him bask in his own intelligence.

STOP! Stop bashing the one person that is making a point and stating facts in this thread that are actually related to the topic at hand.

Ever since I have first started this thread I have only gotten good information out of MAYBE four people. The rest has been nothing but useless bullshit. The flaming and bashing is unneeded and unnecessary.

Just because someone has an opinion and very good information and reasoning to back it up, does not mean he needs to be endlessly insulted for 2 pages of posts. Intelligence will surpass your stupidity no matter what. By continuing to flame, all you are doing is making yourself look like a jackass.

This is obviously a very controversial topic and it is good that it has been brought up. The problem is, most of you do not know how to handle a debate maturely or intelligently. Basing everything off of opinion is one thing, but when someone provides the knowledge to back it up, come on, accept it and learn something from it.

You sir, can bask in your own ignorance.

[91kid]

. Unfortunately, there is some merit to this, as when setup stock from the factory, there is about a 1,000-1,500 RPM "hole" in the powerband where torque production is actually decreasing because the small cam is out of its peak efficiency range. Thus, when VTEC does finally kick in, it makes it feel much stronger. It is pure marketing on the part of Honda. They do it so that people can "feel" what VTEC is doing for them. In an ideal world, VTEC would actually be tuned to kick in much lower, and there would only be a seamless powerband from idle to redline.

so how would you go about removing this hole... id love to see an H22 where vtec hits and keeps you on the cam with that vtec "hit"

BTW amazing post

[shadowdlink]

LOL! This thread has really deviated, but not necessarily a bad thing. The great walls of text that you guys post are most informative and interesting. I'm actually learning some stuff I didn't really know about.

Anyhow, on a personal note. To me, power is power, doesn't matter how its done. From a Vtec engine or a tuned non-vtec one... or from a highly tuned twin turbo charged sewing machine. In the end, it is all to achieve a certain level of performance regardless of engine.
If you are tuning and improving your engine, I don't think that having Vtec is relevant when you are making the same amount of power with a non-vtec engine.
Or if you that you swapped your engine for a Vtec(twin cam of course) one and you are making a lot more power than stock without the need of putting much effort as improving your old stock engine.

Its just a matter of preference.

[CB7Man]

If your going for cheap fun guys get a VTEC!

If your totally ignorant fine get an H23!
Its as close as your going to get to the perfomance of an H22 at the same cost.

I think though the main thing is trannys
An F22 with a H22 tranny is going to give the H22 a run for its money...well atleast until it hits VTEC, which is only about 2 seconds for me.