F22A6 build up

[jcaban7]

Hey... New guy on the set. (new to web sit.) I have a spare block that i want to play with.. I have a S.O.H.C F22A6 that fell into my hands a little while ago. I was going to rebuild it.. But.. I changed my mined.. I have new plans for it.. i haven't built a fun engine for myself in a long time. So i'm in the mood to build this one till it brakes..
Dose any one know of any D.O.H.C head that will bult up to this block...

[visualpoet]

You can do it, but building a frank isn't the best way to go. You can get just as much power out of the SOHC as the DOHC. Check out bisimoto engineering. He's got an F series N/A that's astounding.

[wed3k]

japanese f22b will bolt right on.

[ZigenBallZ]

You can get just as much power out of the SOHC as the DOHC.

I politely but strongly disagree...

DOHC non VTEC is largely unexplored territory in the accord world IMO. Most leave them stock.

[nostringz]

DOHC non VTEC is largely unexplored territory in the accord world IMO. Most leave them stock.

thats probably because efforts from engineers like bisimoto are focused on the F SOHC

[ZigenBallZ]

thats probably because efforts from engineers like bisimoto are focused on the F SOHC

Not true... It's because of the people doing these things. You and me and everyone else building and buying parts and demanding more, better parts or just outright making something else work. Trying new things. Bisi's been doing his thing with F's for how long? and we're just now getting a header group buy? The emergence of good quality SOHC F series parts has been slow and has only really started getting better in the last 2-3 years. Bisi has been racing his F's and selling parts for a long time, no one's been buying them in quantity for SOHC's until the last few years. There is simply not enough of a demand for DOHC Non VTEC research.

All it takes is some motivated people to do it, and then post the experiences, thus generating interest and hopefully inspiration for others to follow.
I know of roughly 4 built or semi built DOHC Non VTEC F's. In the entire country.

Compare that to the amount of built/semi built SOHC F's. In the entire country. Even a year ago, how many people were running Bisi's parts on this board? A handful maybe? How many now? Double that?

Most people leave their DOHC NON VTEC's stock or close to it. The JDM DOHC's have some mysterious allure of being more valuable than SOHC's or an acceptable increase in stock power over a SOHC but pricewise they are not really. Thusly, SOHC's have a reputation of being cheap and a dime a dozen. Therefore, people tend to experiment more with them and the consequences be damned because you can always just easily grab a new one for cheap. Not so with a DOHC.

Not enough people have done anything meaningful with a DOHC NON VTEC F for your original statement to be accurate and fair.

I am right there with you on the gospel of Bisi and the SOHC. It is my first love and I know quite a bit about them.
But you don't need to knock down other platforms in order to make yours more acceptable. Thanks.

[visualpoet]

Not true... It's because of the people doing these things. You and me and everyone else building and buying parts and demanding more, better parts or just outright making something else work. Trying new things. Bisi's been doing his thing with F's for how long? and we're just now getting a header group buy? The emergence of good quality SOHC F series parts has been slow and has only really started getting better in the last 2-3 years. Bisi has been racing his F's and selling parts for a long time, no one's been buying them in quantity for SOHC's until the last few years. There is simply not enough of a demand for DOHC Non VTEC research.

All it takes is some motivated people to do it, and then post the experiences, thus generating interest and hopefully inspiration for others to follow.
I know of roughly 4 built or semi built DOHC Non VTEC F's. In the entire country.

Compare that to the amount of built/semi built SOHC F's. In the entire country. Even a year ago, how many people were running Bisi's parts on this board? A handful maybe? How many now? Double that?

Most people leave their DOHC NON VTEC's stock or close to it. The JDM DOHC's have some mysterious allure of being more valuable than SOHC's or an acceptable increase in stock power over a SOHC but pricewise they are not really. Thusly, SOHC's have a reputation of being cheap and a dime a dozen. Therefore, people tend to experiment more with them and the consequences be damned because you can always just easily grab a new one for cheap. Not so with a DOHC.

Not enough people have done anything meaningful with a DOHC NON VTEC F for your original statement to be accurate and fair.

I am right there with you on the gospel of Bisi and the SOHC. It is my first love and I know quite a bit about them.
But you don't need to knock down other platforms in order to make yours more acceptable. Thanks.

What is your reasoning behind this, mechanically speaking? The only thing DOHC has going for it is the adjustability of valve timing, which once you've found the optimal point, doesn't change. (how often do you get out and change the cam gears on a DOHC?) One you've dialed it in, it stays.
You can build the SOHC to open and close the valves at exactly the same times as the DOHC. It's a matter of lobe position on the cam itself. I think the real reason there's not as much interest in the DOHC, is there are more parts to break down. The DOHC vtec gets attention because it's vtec, yo, where the SOHC VTEC are usually built for economy. Having two cams doesn't mean you can make a stronger engine, it just means you can change when the valves open and close independently; intake vs exhaust.
Just my .02

[HondaFan81]

I politely but strongly disagree...

DOHC non VTEC is largely unexplored territory in the accord world IMO. Most leave them stock.

What the heck do you know, get the heck outta here!!!

Yea, you're one of the few that was farting around with these non-VTEC DOHC heads. There are advantages in the independent camshafts. I am not sure on the port/valve configuration compared to the F22ax SOHC.

Like you said, I'm sure people could get good power out of it, if it were explored more. Just think of the VTEC Killer setups on H22s, you end up with a DOHC non-VTEC basically, so you can get that aggressive with these mentioned DOHC heads as well.

To think I had a fantastic condition JDM F22B DOHC non-VTEC I was thinking of putting on a F22ax block for an NA build. I'm still happy I went with a true F22ax build, it is neat to explore that.

The downside to the DOHC, is you have to pay for 2 camshafts on upgrades and 2 adjustable cam gears.

[jcaban7]

F22a6 Build Up

WOW... I did think that my thread was going to start a heated debate.
For those that dont know. I have a F22A1 that i've modified alot. It has a respectable power gain over stock. And cuase of it . I''ve had to replace the tranny twice. And once again it needs replaceing. This time i'll go manual.

The reason for this build. 1. An experiment 2. A compairason.
I want to see how far, and how hard i can push the block. First N/A then with Boost. Like my friends and i have done with V8's. I want to explore the weak points and the strong pionts of this block.... For me.. It's no fun if you don't try to brake something you've worked so hard to build.. How else are you going to find its weak points, so you can improve it!..

I had shit load of fun with my S.O.H.C... Just so you guys know. I went through 3 of them.. I damaged 2 heads and crack one block.

I build em to brake em

[wed3k]

you know you do have to run coolant and oil in these engines right?

[jcaban7]

wed3k you know you do have to run coolant and oil in these engines right? 

Yes i ran coolent and oil in them..! i tryed different oil thickness and coolent mix... My buddy John. Who set the timeing. Forgot to reset the rear balance shaft. So when i reved the engine. At high RPMS i noticed it viberateing realy hard. So by the time i went to dump the throttle. The block cracked. And we had oil every where....We just pushed them as hard as they'd take.

I build em to brake em