nitrious

[danbertot]

with nitrious applications do you want high or low compression ratio?
thanks.

[d112crzy]

Are you speaking build wise? If so, go with high compression.

If you're speaking in stock motor terms, then go with whatever the motor will handle(the shot)

[Mayhem Tripp Robinson]

usly with any kind of forced induction (ie. nos, turbo ,super charger) u want low comp. but if u have a fully built motor that is a difrent story.

[deevergote]

Low comp is always safer. Higher comp will yeild more power, but you have to be more careful with tuning.

[8ball]

you want at or about 10.5 -11.5 c/r from a purposed built street engine, a custom camshaft, head work to avoid engine failure, a bisimoto header because nitrous moves exhaust gases about 3-6x more than NA and a fucking great tune. You only as good as your weakest link - enjoy.

I would not do anyhting past 10 c/r with a 200 shot of nitrous and everything i just mentioned.

[deevergote]

I wouldn't go over a 100 shot on anything higher than 10.5... but with a good tune and strong parts, 200 could work. 200 is pretty damn scary, though. Think... that's pretty much doubling the output of a modified NA engine in an instant!

But yeah... only as good as your weakest link. Totally true!

[d112crzy]

Uh....true nitrous motors use compression in the areas of 11:1....

And the bisi header....show proof of it working better than any other header with a 2.5" collector. Until then, it is nothing more than a fancy peice of overpriced metal.

Also..anyone that instantly shoots a full 200 shot of nitrous is a retard. Progressive controllers are made for a reason.

[deevergote]

Throw any other header with a 2.5" collector on Bisi's race motor and watch the power drop. I'm sure it will. The Bisimoto header isn't an extreme "this will add 100000 horsepower to your mom's grocery getter!" piece... but as far as headers go, I'm quite certain it's the best there is for the F22A.


And yeah, true nitrous motors run high comp. Many powerhouse turbo builds do as well (especially new models with direct injection). SERIOUS race builds do everything to get power. Reliability is another thing, though. For a daily driver, and the abuse it puts up with, I'd stick with no higher than 10.5. Then again, "daily driver" for me gets a minimum of 20k miles a year put on it!

[d112crzy]

Throw any other header with a 2.5" collector on Bisi's race motor and watch the power drop. I'm sure it will. The Bisimoto header isn't an extreme "this will add 100000 horsepower to your mom's grocery getter!" piece... but as far as headers go, I'm quite certain it's the best there is for the F22A.


And yeah, true nitrous motors run high comp. Many powerhouse turbo builds do as well (especially new models with direct injection). SERIOUS race builds do everything to get power. Reliability is another thing, though. For a daily driver, and the abuse it puts up with, I'd stick with no higher than 10.5. Then again, "daily driver" for me gets a minimum of 20k miles a year put on it!

You seriously think the header bisi runs on his car is of the same caliber as the ones he gets produced? You are sadly mistaken if you do, and to compare the two is just shameful and pathetic. Just because his car runs fast, doesn't mean the products he sells are great. It would be nice to assume, but due to the lack of dyno sheets on most of his products....



Nothing wrong with an 11:1 daily driver with the occasional weekend sprays. Besides, 11:1 is far from high compression.

I'm at the 23k mark with my 11:1 motor, since December.

[deevergote]

It all depends on the quality of the build, the tune, and the amount of abuse it's put through. You know what you're doing... not everyone does. I'd prefer to give advice that that leans toward the conservative side of things. If you know enough to not blow your motor... you don't need to ask these questions!


True, I suppose it's not right to assume that we're getting the same header that Bisi has on his race motor.

Hopefully Cisco will do a comparison between the Bisi and the Kamikaze.

[d112crzy]

He won't. I already know this. It's not worth his time or efforts and no one on this site truly appreciates anything.

[deevergote]

That's incredibly true.

[8ball]

Basicly in this hobby its all about numbers geometry chemistry and physics. There is a formula for everything and for every formula these is another formula that can negate its affects or effects if you will. Dont assume that I can tell you how to build your car. It all depends on your budget, you can buy 50 grand worth of parts for any type of car but if you dont truely understand what it does what its for then you dont know how to use it. Just read up on shit man , our 8.8:1 compression ratio is fine for nitrous or turbo not to good for NA however. You can squeeze an extra 100HP from our stock motor with 200K as long as it is relatively soung mechanical condition in FORCED INDUCTION FORM.

DCRZY- Bisimoto owns the HONDA NA MARKET and I think for the most part the subcompact FWD NA genre. You think his products dont do shit? Or do you think they dont do enough for the money? Seriously this is one person pushing the f22a's limits in house dyno testing fabbing and r&d time. Once a product is out on the market Im sure its for power not looks or mass production for profit. If you think the proof is in the pudding have a dyno tune shoot out against him. Im sure he wont mind getting an extra 10-15TQ extra from your current tune as long as you pay to play...

[8ball]

You seriously think the header bisi runs on his car is of the same caliber as the ones he gets produced? You are sadly mistaken if you do, and to compare the two is just shameful and pathetic. Just because his car runs fast, doesn't mean the products he sells are great. It would be nice to assume, but due to the lack of dyno sheets on most of his products....



Nothing wrong with an 11:1 daily driver with the occasional weekend sprays. Besides, 11:1 is far from high compression.

I'm at the 23k mark with my 11:1 motor, since December.

I think his headers are as close to a race header as they come for our engines and the least we can do is satisfied that he even went out and made them spec for the cb7 chassis and not the EF chassis since his kits are for F2D Ef89. The stich header is probly custom made for that chassis of course it wont be like the cb7.

[d112crzy]

DCRZY- Bisimoto owns the HONDA NA MARKET and I think for the most part the subcompact FWD NA genre. You think his products dont do shit? Or do you think they dont do enough for the money? Seriously this is one person pushing the f22a's limits in house dyno testing fabbing and r&d time. Once a product is out on the market Im sure its for power not looks or mass production for profit. If you think the proof is in the pudding have a dyno tune shoot out against him. Im sure he wont mind getting an extra 10-15TQ extra from your current tune as long as you pay to play...

uh...Bisi is FAR from having the NA game on lock down. FAR. He has the F and D NA sport on lock down, but only because no one else has bothered with them because there are tons of other, cheaper and feasible options.

I HIGHLY doubt he could get more power out of my engine than I already have.

Until his products have dyno sheets to back them up, his products and super advertising skills don't mean shit. He is a business man, a VERY good one at that, and a lot of you have fallen for his well constructed English and advertising.


Bisi likes to make a lot of claims, but he doesn't back them up very much.

I don't follow anyone blindly.